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Old 07-16-2008, 05:22 PM
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is this a good idea? haha my grandfather wants to try it buy im a bit weary. any suggestions on loads?
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:30 PM
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you could load your .38 back in the holster and carry it as a side arm!
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:42 PM
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is this a good idea?
No.

Will a .38 Spl kill a deer??? Absolutely. But so would my RWS pellet gun if I play my cards right. Should a feller try to kill a deer with a .38 Spl or a pellet gun??? Nawwwww. Not unless your lost in the woods and you're in short supply of long sharp sticks.
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:16 PM
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In a word, no. Can it kill a deer, most certainly. Reliably? Most certainly not.
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Old 07-16-2008, 07:36 PM
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I've done it -- at extremely close range, with a carefully-placed shot, and a +P 158 gr. SWCHP load -- but I really don't recommend it. Stepping up to a .357 makes it much more practical.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:48 PM
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No. Terrible idea.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:26 PM
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Depends on the size and the range.

For Whitetail deer under 125 pounds, presenting a shot under 40 yards, I would venture to say the Buffalo Bore .38+P Spl 158 SWC-HP-GC would be effective.

From the Buffalo Bore site:

"158gr., very soft cast, semi wad cutter, (Keith) hollow cavity, with a gas check. This bullet will mushroom violently on impact and will penetrate roughly 14 inches in human flesh. Again, this bullet is gas checked and will not lead your barrel.

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Old 07-17-2008, 02:44 AM
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Ive scene deer shot and killed with a .22lr its true it depends on where you hit em. Would I do this, no way not going to happen. The only way i could ethicly justify attempting this is if: 1. you are starving to death and in a survival situation. 2. To put down a critter with an i can spit on you head shot. Other than that, thats bad Ju-Ju. I would not go hunting with him unless he planned on stepping it up to atleaset a .357 magnum with a 6 inch barrel and adequate load. If he absolutely decides he is going to do this it needs to be a solid head or neck shot and realy realy freeking close! But I still would not go I would not want to have to track the thing for days if a bad shot occured.

How do they know it will penetrate 14 inches of human flesh? You cant go by ballistic geletin it is just a ruff guestimate. The human body is a plethera of materials. The whole 12 inches of geletin to be adequate does not equil 12 inches of flesh if this where true there whould be multipul exit wounds in every shooting with adequate ammunition. Most people are less this a 12 inches from chest to back. What it means is if it penetrates 12 inches of gell it has a pretty good chance to get into the vitals of the average human body from most angels. a 125 lb deer is not a big deer but I realy doubt that a very soft cast bullet hitting a deers shoulder at an anemic velocity is going to be adequate to penetrate to its heart!! or take out both lungs!!

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Don't do it.
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Old 07-17-2008, 04:44 AM
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There are probably more deer taken every year with .22 rimfires than with any other round, the .38 special is a big step up. The .38 special 158 grain is more lead than the .36-.45 caliber roundball muzzleloaders that were the standard hunting rifle for many years and took every animal to be found in the US. It really is a question of hunting ability and marksmanship. With good shot placement a .38 will do the job.
Members of "The Boone & Crocket Club" today forget that Boone & Crocket actually got it done with round balls and ballistics in the same league as the .38 special.
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There are probably more deer taken every year with .22 rimfires than with any other round, the .38 special is a big step up. The .38 special 158 grain is more lead than the .36-.45 caliber roundball muzzleloaders that were the standard hunting rifle for many years and took every animal to be found in the US. It really is a question of hunting ability and marksmanship. With good shot placement a .38 will do the job.
Members of "The Boone & Crocket Club" today forget that Boone & Crocket actually got it done with round balls and ballistics in the same league as the .38 special.
You're right, Joe, but then you really need to choose your shot and be disciplined enough not to take a shot at all if it doesn't favor the abilities of the cartridge your shooting. I don't know why some folks insist on using the bare minimum. I always hunt with gun/cartridge combinations that will reach the vitals from any and every angle as the perfect shot often doesn't present itself. JMHO
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When I lived in Florida more than two decades ago, the limit was two bucks - a day. The undergrowth was so heavy that the only practical way to hunt was from a treestand over a trail. Shots came essentially straight down, about six feet past your boot tips. The deer were about the size of Lassie, averaging about 80 pounds live weight.

Under those conditions a bow or a handgun made great sense. A stoutly-loaded .38 worked just fine, as I can attest - BUT for almost any other hunting situation, it would be a very unwise choice.
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You're right, Joe, but then you really need to choose your shot and be disciplined enough not to take a shot at all if it doesn't favor the abilities of the cartridge your shooting. I don't know why some folks insist on using the bare minimum. I always hunt with gun/cartridge combinations that will reach the vitals from any and every angle as the perfect shot often doesn't present itself. JMHO
Isn't that what an ethical hunter is expected to do anyway? If one knows his limitations and the limitations of his equipment and is willing to live with them, one can hunt humanely and effectively with about anything. Certainly there is nothing wrong with having more power than absolutely necessary but that is not the same as saying it can't be done very well with a great deal less. It's all up to the nut behind the butt. Granted, "the perfect shot often doesn't present itself", so then you don't shoot, that's hunting.

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Old 07-17-2008, 06:34 AM
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Isn't that what an ethical hunter is expected to do anyway? If one knows his limitations and the limitations of his equipment and is willing to live with them, one can hunt humanely and effectively with about anything. Certainly there is nothing wrong with having more power than absolutely necessary but that is not the same as saying it can't be done very well with a great deal less. It's all up to the nut behind the butt. Granted, "the perfect shot often doesn't present itself", so then you don't shoot, that's hunting.

That sums it up nicely..
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:12 AM
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.357 mag works fine with 180gr. cast bullets, that would be the minimum I have used and could personally recommend.

I like Rocky's story and can see how that would be practical in that situation.
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:25 AM
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Yes, it was summed up. But the part about the .22 gets me. Yes head shots and poachers go together after stunning the deer with a spotlight.
I have killed many, many deer in PA years ago with healed in .22 bullets on the chest wall.
The .357 is BORDERLINE on deer and a survey taken showed half the deer shot with it were lost. To step down from that shows no ethics or respect for the animal.
Why even fool with the toy when every gunshop has a .44 or .45 for sale?
I don't want to hear about the perfect shot because they seldom present themselves. Then the guy behind the grip must thread the needle.
All you need to do is research the poor performance of the .38 when police could only carry them. Deer are WAY tougher then a man. I have seen them go a mile after being hit with a 7mm mag.
Shoot a normal man with a .38 and he will go down to wait for help. Stuff some drugs in him or dress him in heavy winter clothing and after you empty the pipsqueak at him, better turn and run for your life.
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bfrshooter is correct the 38 special is woefully under powered for hunting anything above squirels or even for self defense. If the hunter is willing to turn down a mired of shot and go home empty handed then yes eventualy the 38 will be sucessful, but there are much better choices
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:29 PM
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I agree that the ethical hunter will know his limits and abide by them. But what explains all of the lost game that hunters find? Guess a lot of folks don't know their limits.......
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