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Old 08-25-2008, 06:11 AM
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I'm looking for some stiff 44 mag loads for my SBH. This is for point blank kill shots/back up only. I so not care if cast or jacketed bullets. I have about 2 lbs of H110 on hand.
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Old 08-25-2008, 06:46 AM
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If your talking about black bear then any hardcast lead bullet will kill well from 357 on up. If your talking Grizzly then any heavy (240 and up) hardcast 44 mag bullet above 1200 fps will work. You really don't need wrist breaking loads to kill bear. Of the 19 black bear I've killed a 255 grain Kieth style hardcast almost always went all the way thru them. Only killed one grizzly and the bullet did the same, but it was a head shot.

H110 likes to be loaded hot. I'd just go with what your manual recommends.
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Old 08-25-2008, 07:07 AM
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So my standard 240 XTP or my 265 RNFP hornadys should work fine then? Oh yeah it is black bear I'm after.
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Old 08-25-2008, 07:18 AM
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Yes they should do dandy. Lots of our guys out here shoot black bears out of trees with 22's and my friend used a 38 super for years before going to a 32 H&R mag in a Ruger SP 101.

My standard hunting load was a 255 grain Kieth style cast from linotype at 1250 fps from a 5.5 inch Redhawk and 1350 fps from a 7.5 inch Super Redhawk. Longest shot was just a bit over 200 yards. Hit that nice black bear three times out of six and believe the first shot killed him. Most were well under a hundred yards and most shots were thru and thru.
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You should check out loadswap and compare them to the published data in the manuals. I'm using Marshall's 41 Mag load for my "bear load." 250 grn BTB LFN over 20 grn of WW296. My dad tried some of my loads in his Model 57. His comment "It sure will raise up on you."
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:01 AM
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a 405g cast bullet that penetrates douglas fir rounds and can touch a 116 yard gong with almost no recoil..... it's my walking around load and I am confident that it'll kill anything on the continent, especially at point blank range. This is my solution the the problem posed in the topic. This round will only fit in Redhawk length cylinders, it will lock up a blackhawk. Please don't ask...

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Old 08-25-2008, 01:04 PM
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My Redhawk loves to digest H110

21.5 grn - 310 grn hp
24 grn - 240 grn hp

Leaves some room for tweeking the load. We don't have bear, but got some big hogs that I hunt.
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"HOT" Lets start there. If you blow up your firearm, the bear wont care. Will eat you anyway. H-110 can be a useful powder in a 44 mag if you find a bullet that works well with it. The bullet you choose must perform the task that you ask of it.

I'd start with a good bullet. Then find a powder. Hope that H-110 works (because you have it). There's lots of 44 magnum data out there. You should have no trouble.

Stay careful with your re-loads.

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Like they said, no need for a "hot" high pressure load. It's ok to let the bullet do much of the work. The best stopper load I know of suitable for a SBH is Marshall's 325gr WLN GC. Out of a 4 5/8" bbl (I think the load is on load swap) it gives about 1100 fps. Out of a 5 1/2" bbl shoud go a bit over 1150 fps. This is with H-110. Go to AA9 or 2400 and you should get around 1000 fps out of a 5 1/2" bbl. No need to rev the load.

No special need for 325's though. You can also get very good performance with the BTB 300 gr WFN GC. Launch it between 1000 and 1200 fps and you're there.

Lots of good choices out there. If you are talking about black bear then you are as well off with even lighter bullets.

Oh yeah.... watch out for that Griz character. He only likes bullets that have to penetrate 3 trees before going thru a 2000 lb bear and then penetrate 3 more trees. I know they won't work in your SBH but (I have shot them) he has an amazing load with the 405 gr bullet.
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Old 08-25-2008, 07:55 PM
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Let me clarify I'm not looking to raise pressure I'm looking to safely get the most out of my SBH for point blank back up kill shots. I hunt with a rifle and use the SBH as backup when I leave my rifle up on the hill. When you traverse some of the canyons that I have to go down in you want both hands free! the last thing you want to do is fall and knock you scope out of alinment.
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Scott with my S&W 629 I won't be loading my 305-gr WFN GC bullets up that hot any longer like I did for the Ruger SBH, but even at 1150 fps there is plenty of penetration there as I now load them with 18.0 gr of 2400.

It's hard to beat the penetrating value of a super hard cast bullet.
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In my model 29s I don't use bullets heavier than 277 hardcasts. I run them right around 1,300 fps and they are very effective. I just don't want to beat the old girls up any more than I have over the last 20 years or so.......
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:14 AM
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In my model 29s I don't use bullets heavier than 277 hardcasts. I run them right around 1,300 fps and they are very effective. I just don't want to beat the old girls up any more than I have over the last 20 years or so.......
I'm going to shoot a few to see how these do for accuracy, as they were provided by my bullet sponsor and I agreed to use them for hunting with as I had a Ruger SBH at the time. I do not want to give my 629 a constant diet of these but if they prove accurate, then they will work great with my hunting applications. If the accuracy is not there, I will take these back to get a lighter grain bullet which he does make a 255-gr and 290-gr SWC GC bullet which are both .430 dia.

I have loaded up some 240-gr JHP Speer's over 18.0 gr of 2400 which should be around 1200 fps, but will find out when I chrono these loads. I am still waiting for my scope mount rail to get here.
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:19 AM
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A hard cast bullet doesn't need super-duper velocity to be effective. Anything over 1,000fps with a good meplat will do the job, pick any reasonable weight 240-300+gr. and enjoy.

Use up those jacketed bullets at the range and go hunting with cast!
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:41 AM
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I just find the load that works the best and I stick with it. No re-sighting the weapon necessary. Heavy hardcast for everything in my case!

J_B, I am using a bullet by Ranch Dog that bfrshooter turned me on to. It has proven accurate and effective!
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Let me clarify I'm not looking to raise pressure I'm looking to safely get the most out of my SBH for point blank back up kill shots. I hunt with a rifle and use the SBH as backup when I leave my rifle up on the hill. When you traverse some of the canyons that I have to go down in you want both hands free! the last thing you want to do is fall and knock you scope out of alinment.
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That's EXACTLY what my load is for. And Bill's got me pegged pretty good, I love that penetration. But I gotta tell ya, at 942 fps you have the lowest pressure load I know of that will do the job. And the lowest recoiling .44 mag load I've ever shot. You can make smaller bullets go faster, and make more noise, and more muzzle flip, but they won't hold a candle to the slow 405g load up close and personal stopper round...

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Too bad I have the Super blackhawk otherwise I'd give them a try

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Too bad I have the Super blackhawk otherwise I'd give them a try
I'm not following why this is a bad thing. There is nothing even remotely weak about an SBH......
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:49 AM
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I'm not following why this is a bad thing. There is nothing even remotely weak about an SBH......
The load is too long for the cylinder. But only by a scotch. Leaves room for casting a 390g bullet for the rest of the revolvers.

Also, compared to the redhawk the sbh isn't as strong and will shoot loose of fed a steady diet of high pressure redhawk loads.

I used a 320g plain base cast bullet to harvest a lot of venison from a sbh, but I know for a fact that it doesn't penetrate like the 405g bullet, and just jacking up the velocity isn't going to produce better penetration necessarily. There's a whole lot of bullet variables involved when you start looking at the nitty gritty details. Empirical testing produces interesting results. Linebaugh seminars are worth checking out in that regard, the fastest bullet isn't always the best penetrator.

After all, the bear is safe if the bullet stops in one of the first three trees...

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Sorry, I wasn't following you. 405 grain .44 bullet?? Sounds like too much of a good thing to me. How does that long bullet stablilize at such slow velocities? I'll bet it's accurate up close, but what happens when you stretch its legs a bit? I have used 400 grain pills in my Casull (.452 vs .429), and they are great out to 25 yards, but when I push it out to 50 yards, the groups open way up. You see, I can't push them fast enough to stabilize them and I am getting nearly 1,400 fps. I think a 320 is plenty for the smallish .429 bore......JMHO. It is nose profile that is the key to good penetration but obviously weight for caliber is important, but a 320 grain bullet is heavy for caliber.

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