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Old 03-05-2009, 05:56 PM
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Glock 22 Vs S&W M&P 40 Cal


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Hi guys trying to decide between a Glock 22 and a S&W M&P. I really love the look of the Smith it's simply beautiful aesthetically and I was actually sold on it until I picked one up and had a chance to really handle one in the gun store. Just seemed like it wasen't weighted right and seemed a little heavy in the front and lacked the balance I would of thought it should of had. Now it's been a while since I handled a Glock but as I remembered it had better balance. The Glock ain't pretty but I just bought a Keltec Sub2000 which accepts the same magazine so most would say it's a no brainer but I just like the look of the Smith, does the Glock have better balance then the Smith? looking for someone that has experence with both, I'm talking about the full sized 15 round versions of both guns. Thanks!

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Old 03-05-2009, 06:18 PM
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I think the S&W is slightly better balanced, they are both polymer frames, so they will be barrel heavy.

You can get mag well funnels like the Seattle Slug for Glocks that dramatically changes the balance. I'm not aware of one for the M&P.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:12 PM
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Probably the most important way to choose is to find out which one fits you better, and that you can shoot better with. It doesn't matter if it looks good if you can't shoot it. I have never shot the S&W, our State Troopers carry those now, most of them like it better than the older metal S&W frames, but a lot of them don't like them as much as some of the other polymer frames out there.
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I think the S&W is slightly better balanced, they are both polymer frames, so they will be barrel heavy.

You can get mag well funnels like the Seattle Slug for Glocks that dramatically changes the balance. I'm not aware of one for the M&P.
Mag well funnels that's a new one on me what are they exactly and you think it might help the front heaviness of the Smith, Just LOVE the LOOKS of that gun but like I said I have that Sub2000 which takes the Glocks magazines so what do you think.

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Old 03-06-2009, 05:04 PM
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Here's one for the M&P:
http://www.nevcotargets.com/swmp.html

This is the Seattle Slug:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1407&title=SEATTLE%20SLUG%20M AG%20GUIDE%20for%20GLOCK


The Seattle Slug fits in the recess, so its pretty concealable.
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:04 PM
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Here's one for the M&P:
http://www.nevcotargets.com/swmp.html

This is the Seattle Slug:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/sto...%20for%20GLOCK


The Seattle Slug fits in the recess, so its pretty concealable.

Hm-mm well that's something to consider think I'll go back and really spend so time with both, anyone else have any comments on the weight distribution between the to.

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Curt-31 first it has to fit your hand well and then shoot well for you at the range, with no JAMA or reloading problems. All of our UGLY GLOCKS will do this without a problem period. I have seen a couple of M&P'S have a feeding problem at our range?

I love my model 1911's but only shoot them (some of them) for recreational shooting, not for CCW carry ok. This is the job of my Glock and I do bet my life on this brand of pistol simply put and so does the wife. Nothing out there has with stood the tests and over 200,000rounds through a handgun wilthout a jam of feedilng problem mind you, than a GLOCK~!!!

You don't have to take my word for anything about the Glock pistols, you just get on the U-TUBE and look things up for yourself. They are not pretty pistols but serve the purpose of protecting ones life if need be and that is all that really counts.
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Curt-31 first it has to fit your hand well and then shoot well for you at the range, with no JAMA or reloading problems. All of our UGLY GLOCKS will do this without a problem period. I have seen a couple of M&P'S have a feeding problem at our range?

I love my model 1911's but only shoot them (some of them) for recreational shooting, not for CCW carry ok. This is the job of my Glock and I do bet my life on this brand of pistol simply put and so does the wife. Nothing out there has with stood the tests and over 200,000rounds through a handgun wilthout a jam of feedilng problem mind you, than a GLOCK~!!!

You don't have to take my word for anything about the Glock pistols, you just get on the U-TUBE and look things up for yourself. They are not pretty pistols but serve the purpose of protecting ones life if need be and that is all that really counts.
Agreed!!!!!

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What kind of jams have you seen Tracer?

Neither of my M&Ps have barfed, I have the compact in .40 and a full size in .40 that is set up for USPSA Limited competition. I have a SSS 5 oz brass mag well, and Taylor Freelance +5 mag extensions, with Apex Tactical sear and stiker block kits and Warren Tactical sights. Its a fun gun to shoot in competition and its very accurate.

The only Glocks I've seen barf had aftermarket barrels.
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I have an M&P compact. It's a more modern design than the Glock. The only thing I dislike is the the magazine disconnect. Do Glock's have those too? What a nonsensical device.

With the three different backstraps, the M&P can be made to fit your grip pretty well.
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That disconnect comes out pretty easily. I took it out of my .40 Compact.
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That disconnect comes out pretty easily. I took it out of my .40 Compact.
any hints on how you did it? Screwdriver with a twist?
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Nope, just remove the sear block, push out the rear pin, then remove the sear disconnect/mag safety pin, and remove the mag safety lever and replace the pin, sear disconnect and pin, reinstall the sear block and you are good to go.

Here is the video from Apex Tactical on installing their Hard Sear, (this will guide you on removing the mag disconnect, as soon as you see it you'll figure it out) which I highly recommend, it is so sweet you'll wonder why you wasted all the time with Glocks.

http://www.apextactical.com/blog/ind...-sear-install/

I can't link directly to the video, the video is the first one in the list.
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What kind of jams have you seen Tracer?

Neither of my M&Ps have barfed, I have the compact in .40 and a full size in .40 that is set up for USPSA Limited competition. I have a SSS 5 oz brass mag well, and Taylor Freelance +5 mag extensions, with Apex Tactical sear and stiker block kits and Warren Tactical sights. Its a fun gun to shoot in competition and its very accurate.

The only Glocks I've seen barf had aftermarket barrels.
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I have an M&P compact. It's a more modern design than the Glock. The only thing I dislike is the the magazine disconnect. Do Glock's have those too? What a nonsensical device.

With the three different backstraps, the M&P can be made to fit your grip pretty well.
I own the M&P9c;
one of the first ones offered to the public when they came on the market.

I can't get this thing to have issues, it is a rock solid performer. From the first shot it has been consistantly accurate, and consistantly reliable.

My pistol has no lock, no mag safety, from the factory. It came with two 12 rounders, one flat baseplate, and one with an extention.

Also own a G19 [9mm], a G23[.40] and a G30[45]. again, never an issue with any of these guns. The G19 is a 2nd Gen.[no finger grooves], the others are Gen3.
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Nope, just remove the sear block, push out the rear pin, then remove the sear disconnect/mag safety pin, and remove the mag safety lever and replace the pin, sear disconnect and pin, reinstall the sear block and you are good to go.

Here is the video from Apex Tactical on installing their Hard Sear, (this will guide you on removing the mag disconnect, as soon as you see it you'll figure it out) which I highly recommend, it is so sweet you'll wonder why you wasted all the time with Glocks.

http://www.apextactical.com/blog/ind...-sear-install/

I can't link directly to the video, the video is the first one in the list.

Thanks...worked real easy. Only difference is now I need to drop the hammer as I pull the slide off to field strip.
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You can still leave the disconnect in there, its two seperate parts. I took mine out at first, but decided I liked having the sear disconnect in there and put it back.
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You can still leave the disconnect in there, its two seperate parts. I took mine out at first, but decided I liked having the sear disconnect in there and put it back.
I pulled out two parts...the disconnect switch and the spring that holds it down until the mag pushes it up. These were on the front pin ahead of the sear.

Dry fires fine. WIll check this weekend that I can cycle a mag thru it w/out any hitches.

APpreciate the advice.
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I reread what I posted and it does leave a little confusion, there is a rod that locates everything, a sear disconnect lever, a mag safety disconnect lever, and a spring that holds everything tight against the sear/left side of the block. All you have to remove is the mag safety disconnect lever, although when I first removed mine, the spring went into a black hole and it worked like yours until I found the spring and put it back in there. If you lose yours, SSS sells them for $1.
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I reread what I posted and it does leave a little confusion, there is a rod that locates everything, a sear disconnect lever, a mag safety disconnect lever, and a spring that holds everything tight against the sear/left side of the block. All you have to remove is the mag safety disconnect lever, although when I first removed mine, the spring went into a black hole and it worked like yours until I found the spring and put it back in there. If you lose yours, SSS sells them for $1.

I put the spring back in, but I still need to pull the trigger before I can remove the slide. No big deal.
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Now in all fareness I thought I would post up once again concerning the thread topic, the Glock and the M&P pistols. I took one of my family members pistol shopping this past weekend. He has small hands and nothing in the Glock line was suitable for his hands. We looked at the H&K but still no help there and he did not want a revolver.

We took a break and went to the local shooting range, where we tried the M&P-40 cal. It feed very well with no hangups whatsoever. The pistol at 7ft, 15ft and 25ft was on the money in the vital zone everytime out the gate. The nice thing about this new M&P model, is that it comes with 3 different grips that will aid in the fitting of the pistol's grip. It worked just fine with the smallest grip for this young family member.

It was his very first time in shooting a large pistol caliber and he kept all those shots at 25ft within a 5 inch circle, I was a bit impressed to say the least. The M&P was also easy to rack the slide verses several other brands of pistols I have put into my hand. I all honesty I will give the M&P a 4.5 star rating out of 5. However, I will not be trading off any of my 10mm Glocks for an M&P .40 cal anytime soon.
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