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Old 05-17-2009, 08:15 PM
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beretta px4 vs. glock 19


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First off, I'm new to the site and new to handguns. I have decided to buy my first handgun. The gun is going to be used for recreational shooting and concealed carry. I don't currently have my ccw but I plan on taking the class in a few weeks. I had my mind made up on the glock 19...which i have shot a few times before...until I went to the NRA convention in phoenix yesterday and saw some other options. When I went to bass pro shops to buy one the gentlemen behind the counter showed me the beretta px4. I liked the way it felt in my hand and I also liked the manual safety feature. I'm curious about what people with more gun experience then me feel about these two guns...and which one they feel is a better concealed carry gun.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:43 AM
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First off, I'm new to the site and new to handguns. I have decided to buy my first handgun. The gun is going to be used for recreational shooting and concealed carry. I don't currently have my ccw but I plan on taking the class in a few weeks. I had my mind made up on the glock 19...which i have shot a few times before...until I went to the NRA convention in phoenix yesterday and saw some other options. When I went to bass pro shops to buy one the gentlemen behind the counter showed me the beretta px4. I liked the way it felt in my hand and I also liked the manual safety feature. I'm curious about what people with more gun experience then me feel about these two guns...and which one they feel is a better concealed carry gun.
My $0.02

Unless you're talking the PX4 Subcompact, I think the Glock 19 will be more concealable.

On manual safeties: I feel that the on/off lever safety has no place on a defensive gun. When the adrenaline is pumping, you're not thinking, you're reacting. If you don't practice your draw a lot, to the point that flipping off the safety is a natural part of your gun coming out of its holster, you may forget to turn it off when you're having to draw on an assailant. That's bad enough, but, like I said earlier, you're not thinking too well in such situations. You may then just yank the trigger over and over instead of flipping the safety off.
In the end, you should be training yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, anyway. Even if your gun was only for hunting or only for plinking, this is what you should be doing.
Manual safeties are fine for hunting/target guns. You aren't likely to die if you miss the shot on the deer or get embarrassed at the range because your safety was on.

Beyond this, it's a matter of personal preference. How do they feel in your hand? Do you prefer having the DA/SA hammer over the more-or-less SA Glock striker?
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Old 05-18-2009, 09:16 AM
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Welcome to the forum. I have had several Glock 19s and have not had any type of trouble. The Glock has several internal safeties that prohibit the gun from firing unless the trigger is pulled all the way to the rear just like a revolver. I have had numerous pistols with external safeties but never used them. Just something else to forget in a hurry. But some folks like an external safety. I would choose whichever made me happier.
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Old 05-31-2009, 11:04 AM
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I have both the PX4 and the Glock 19. Both are great guns. For carry, I carry the Glock 19 or 23. The 19 and 23 are the same size, just 9mm and 40 S&W. I also carry a full size Para 1911 with the safety and have no issues with it. The Beretta safety is a bit more combersum than a 1911 safety. To pick between the PX4 or the Glock for carry. I pick the Glock.
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Old 05-31-2009, 03:28 PM
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There are many fine handguns that will work equally well for you. Different features that may or may not be important to you.

Suggest you find a range or take some practical pistolcraft training where you can try a number of different pistols before spending the bucks on one that you may regret later. You're like a person that just got their driver's license and is shopping for a car. You need to test drive some.

Many folks love the Glock, but it's chief virtue these days is it's low cost. That's why there are so many police agancies that use Glocks. Nothing against Glocks, but they are an older design. There are newer designs that you may appreciate more...like the Springfield XD or SW M&P that have adjustable ergonomics.

Then again many swear by the ancient 1911 Colt. It's a matter of personal preferences and ergonomics. For some the 1911 points like their index finger...completely natural.

I'd encourage you to spend some time researching and test firing and you'll end up with a good match.

btw...that px4 is the sexiest pistol around...very tempting.
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:00 AM
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First off, I'm new to the site and new to handguns. I have decided to buy my first handgun. The gun is going to be used for recreational shooting and concealed carry. I don't currently have my ccw but I plan on taking the class in a few weeks. I had my mind made up on the glock 19...which i have shot a few times before...until I went to the NRA convention in phoenix yesterday and saw some other options. When I went to bass pro shops to buy one the gentlemen behind the counter showed me the beretta px4. I liked the way it felt in my hand and I also liked the manual safety feature. I'm curious about what people with more gun experience then me feel about these two guns...and which one they feel is a better concealed carry gun.
I am in a similar position to you Mike, new to handguns and about to but my 1st piece. I live in Jamaica and the variety of Gun's at the local dealer are minimal. In the 9mm class I have to choose between the SigP250 , PX4 Storm , G19.Which are all top guns I know. I have shot all 3 within the past month & I have fallen in Love with the Glock.

The Sig & the Beretta are both excellent guns. I can not say anything bad about them.

Why I have decided to go with the Glock is just my preference.
Size. It conceals better & is lighter than the others.
Functionality.After practising drawing from the holster then releasing the safety catch then lining up the 1st shot, I found that I was able to line up quicker & shoot faster with the Glock. Altough this takes a second to release the catch that time can be crucial.( I am sure all you veteran shooters will disagree, but this is just what I experienced.)
So I prefer the Safety on the Trigger.
I love Single Action. , 1 month ago I had no clue the difference.
So for me I can conceal & operate the Glock better.
At the End of the Day it is just your prefernce, the PX4 & the G19 are both 1st class pistols & are both worthy of trusting your life with them.
As a newbie to the world of firearms by best advice is to you is go your local range & bang out a few rounds & see what you like.(btw check out the P250)
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:07 AM
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My first pistol was a glock 19. I wish I still owned it. It was cheap and easy to shoot in the 9mm. Very easy to point and was a good learning pistol. I now carry a Sprigfield XD in the sub compact 9mm that my wife found too heavy. I find it just right and vey accurate as well.

I don't know much about the Beretta, but the Glock and the Springfield are quite comparable. I tried in vain to get the XD to jam , fail or otherwise, and wasn't able to do so. Same with the Glock. Lots of mags available cheap for both and lots of aftermarket soup-up parts too. Good luck, Eric
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Old 06-02-2009, 05:17 PM
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The Beretta is nice, but I realy like the glocks I have. It would be good to check out
others before you buy.
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Old 06-03-2009, 03:37 AM
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The Storm will have a better trigger for recreational shooting, as it's a traditional SA/DA in that after the first double action shot, the gun cocks itself for single action firing and the single action trigger pull will be better than Glocks half cocked action.

The reason Glock trigger pulls are so LOUSY (ruff-n-mushy) is because of the gun's functioning. When you retract the Glock slide to chamber a round, the firing pin goes back to a half cock ledge. When you pull the trigger, it takes up the slack and then pulls the firing pin off the half cock ledge to where it can fire.

Even the competition models with their lighter pull weight had crappy pulls due to the mechanics of this system.

Glock's also rule the roost in accidental discharges because they put the safety on the face of the trigger and all it takes is a small mistake for the gun to go off.

In addition to having a better trigger pull, the Beretta is a safer gun for the person using it.

The DA trigger pull is long and heavy so there is less of a chance of you shooting yourself in the foot or @$$ when reholstering. I saw two cops do that in one week when they traded their Beretta 92s in for Glocks at the Dept. where I used to live.

There is just less of a chance for an AD period with a traditional DA/SA pistol.
You can put the safety "on" and load the chamber too, making that practice a lot safer.



As for "guns carried for defense" if some people would look into the matter, they would find that in law enforcement circles there have been more officers who were SAVED when somebody snatched their gun and went to kill them with it and could not get the safety off, or who had put the safety on when struggling with an assailant.
You don't have to carry the Storm with the safety on if you don't think you can flip it off in the blink of a gnat's eye.

If I get sidewinded in the hallway by some thug, I like the idea of being able to use a safety as a kill switch on my piece.

People were winning gunfights with bad guys using Berettas, Smiths, Walthers, Brownings and Colts with thumb safeties before the Glock was ever hatched, after all.

You need to figure out which features are most important to YOU and not listen to Mall Ninas, Chairborn Rangers, Internet Experts or varoius and sundry Kool Aid Drinkers seat belted into the trendy bandwagon.

Glocks are usualy more lightweight than comparative guns and are just about completely rust resistant. But thats about it, in terms of reality based "advantages". They are very durable. Other than there being more readily available cheap holsters for them on the second hand market.
They are reliable, but no more reliable than a SIG or Beretta or factory stock 1911 from a decent maker.


Is that enough for you to overlook the lousy, mushy trigger?
That trigger may not affect intrinsic accuracy if you lock the weapon in a shooting machine.
But it does affect practical accuracy, IE shooting with the gun in hand.

The whole cocked and not locked -half cock action also is a safety issue for the person CARRYING the gun. Fully loaded its gonna be like a pet rattlesnake that has not been defanged. YOu gotta walk softly around it.

Years ago to allay the fears of people who didn't feel comfortable about a "plastic" gun, Glocks ad people came up with their campaign based around goofy "torture tests."
These tests impressed a lot of MORONS who didn't comprehend that it doesn't matter if your gun can be dropped out of a helicoptor, ran over by a tank and frozen into a block of ice and come out shooting, becuase YOU can't survive that abuse! What a lot of folks didnt' understnd was that a 1911 could do the same stuff.


The first shot on the Beretta Storm is gonna be a bear, but after that you have a much better trigger pull than a glock. Its gonna be smoother with it
's more traditional SA trigger system. Another practical accuracy factor is that
Beretta barrels tend to be more accurate than glock barrels in my experience.

I have a Glock 19 myself and a Beretta 92. I have owned other Glocks and Berettas over the years.

The thing to do is decide what you want out of a pistol and base your decision on that.
You may prefer the GLock for what you want out of a gun. Or you may prefer the Beretta.

But choose based on YOUR needs.

I sometimes pack my G-19 as a defense peice because it's lighter than my other autos. And it won't rust. Thats' something to consider in a hot humid summer.
But when I go plinking or shooting I generally tote a Beretta or 1911.

The thing that never ceases to amaze me is that other than cops, I never hear any Glock fans mention the few REAL advantages to the Glock, IE the rust resistance or the lighter weight than competitors guns.

Which leads me to believe many Glock fans are just trendoids hoppin' on a bandwagon.
If the Jennings was trendy these same folks would be recommending it.




If I was gonna buy a new 9mm it would probably be a Browning Hi Power or Springfield XD with the thumb safety.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:32 AM
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I have a cop buddy who confessed to me about an AD in his house. Fortunately he was alone at the time and a heavy door frame caught the bullet.

But is was due to one of the Glock's features, which is also shared by some other stricker fired pistols. You need to pull the trigger before removing the slide. Better check/double check that the gun is really unloaded before dropping that hammer.
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