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Old 12-29-2003, 10:10 PM
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Im starting to debate over getting a 454 or 44 mag, basically either a taurus 454 or a colt anaconda. I have shot alot of 44mag and liked it, but I want something very powerfull, something I can carry anywhere in the wilderness (within the US) and not have to worry about any animals that it cant handle. When I say anywhere I mean it, I travel all over the US for work, and often in remote locations. A coworker of mine was face to face with a bear in Alaska, and another chased by a bull in Texas, rattle snakes in OK, bear in Utah, etc, etc...you get the picture.

On the flip side I could never carry the 454 for self defense in an urban setting (unless I loaded 45LC?) but I could use the 44 mag. I use a glock as my main carry weapon, just thinkin in terms of use.

So how much more powerful is the 454 than the 44, and is there really anything that a 44 couldnt handle that a 454 could?

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Old 12-30-2003, 02:40 AM
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A 44 mag/44 special will do it all. With shot loads rattlesnakes fall. Standard 44 special works for folks, 44 mag for the rest.


Respects to the 454 users but its more than i require. Africa perhaps.
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Old 12-30-2003, 03:06 AM
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Im starting to debate over getting a 454 or 44 mag, basically either a taurus 454 or a colt anaconda. I have shot alot of 44mag and liked it, but I want something very powerfull, something I can carry anywhere in the wilderness (within the US) and not have to worry about any animals that it cant handle. When I say anywhere I mean it, I travel all over the US for work, and often in remote locations. A coworker of mine was face to face with a bear in Alaska, and another chased by a bull in Texas, rattle snakes in OK, bear in Utah, etc, etc...you get the picture.

On the flip side I could never carry the 454 for self defense in an urban setting (unless I loaded 45LC?) but I could use the 44 mag. I use a glock as my main carry weapon, just thinkin in terms of use.

So how much more powerful is the 454 than the 44, and is there really anything that a 44 couldnt handle that a 454 could?

Maybe you should think about the 480 Ruger also! Its a little more powerfull than the 44 Mag but doesn't kick as bad as a 454. You didn't say if You reload???. Jeff
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Old 12-30-2003, 04:06 AM
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Generally speaking, most folks agree that for the lower 48, .44 mag will do the trick. I'm picking up a .44 SRH at the end of this week for whitetail and anything else I could hunt inside of a day's drive here in the midwest. Even in AK, the .44 will probably handle most of what you would encounter. I chose the .44 over the .454 due to cost, availability AND cost of reloading components, and the fact that, for what I do, the .454 is just too much gun.
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Old 12-30-2003, 04:25 AM
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nope Im not a reloader, I am usually travelling all week long, and I live in a small apartment, so i dont have the time or space, but the money isnt really that much of a factor as choosing the right gun.

To tell you the truth if I knew I could safely carry 45 long colt for inner city use, and 454 for in the mountains, that would make my choice very easy, but I have heard so much contraversy for 45lc in 454's that Im a little worried.

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Old 12-30-2003, 07:03 AM
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I think a .44 mag is your best bet.

Main thing is, the guns chambered in .454 are by and large, very big heavy long-barreled revolvers which are not going to be fun to carry all day.

If you want a good 'big critter' load, get a box of the Federal CastCore 300gr. WFNGC loads.

More likely to need it to repel 2-legged creatures, anyway.

You have a LOT more choices in carrying a .44 mag, whether big, small, heavy, light, etc.

Ammo is going to be easier to find.

If I wandered around a lot in AK a .454 might be a great choice but I think it would be a lot easier to carry a .454 up there, on a regular holster, and not attract a lot of attention.

Don't think too hard about the snakes. An interesting example, but I can assure you, you can out run a snake pretty easily. A couple of steps back and the problem is solved. Generally you'll make that first big leap back without much thought!!! They aren't too hard to shoot with a pistol if you so choose to take one.
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Old 12-30-2003, 07:54 AM
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well u answered part of your quetstion i would never carry a 44 or a 454 for defense over a glock...humans arent really hard to knock down...and neither are particularly handy in a jam...i just bought a 454 casull 6.5 stainless raging bull...great round...i have been thru 8 boxes of shell in less than 2 weeks...no sign that i will quit shooting...it has a red dot scope on top of it and recoil is not bad in my opinion...i enjoy shooting it...i bought it basically for the same reason as you, i am gonna use it as a back up for bear while elk and deer hunting next year in montana...and i figure that in a bad spot u probably wont get more than 1 shot...and the knockdown of the 454 is superior...this is just my opinion...but i am a new convert and absolutely love my taurus...also in that length a bandaleer hoster is not hard to move around with...my 2 cents...good luck
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Im starting to debate over getting a 454 or 44 mag, basically either a taurus 454 or a colt anaconda. I have shot alot of 44mag and liked it, but I want something very powerfull, something I can carry anywhere in the wilderness (within the US) and not have to worry about any animals that it cant handle. When I say anywhere I mean it, I travel all over the US for work, and often in remote locations. A coworker of mine was face to face with a bear in Alaska, and another chased by a bull in Texas, rattle snakes in OK, bear in Utah, etc, etc...you get the picture.

On the flip side I could never carry the 454 for self defense in an urban setting (unless I loaded 45LC?) but I could use the 44 mag. I use a glock as my main carry weapon, just thinkin in terms of use.

So how much more powerful is the 454 than the 44, and is there really anything that a 44 couldnt handle that a 454 could?
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Old 12-30-2003, 08:25 AM
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S&W 329. more than likely lighter than your Glock and still powerful enough to defend yourself against anything in North America...except maybe a grizzly. And even a Casull ain't gonna improve your chances much.
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Old 12-30-2003, 12:49 PM
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do you have much experience with the 454...i am still gathering info...but from what i have been able to find....it will definately ruin a bears day...
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S&W 329. more than likely lighter than your Glock and still powerful enough to defend yourself against anything in North America...except maybe a grizzly. And even a Casull ain't gonna improve your chances much.
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Old 12-31-2003, 10:25 AM
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The 454 is quite a bit more powerful. Top end 454 Casull loads can exceed 1600 ft/lbs of energy, which is way beyond what the 44 magnum is capable of. That being said, the 44 magnum is probably the more practical choice overall. You will be able to afford to practice with the 44 more often than you could with the 454. I own both and enjoy both. For me, getting a 454 wasn't a matter of need. I just wanted one, plain and simple. If you decide to go the 454 route, you need to seriously consider getting into reloading. That's the only way you will ever fully appreciate the 454s capabilities. Back to the issue of power, don't underestimate the 44 magnum. It has been used effectively on elk and even brown bear. With the appropriate bullet weight, I definitely wouldn't feel under gunned with a 44 magnum. What it boils down to is this: the 454 casull is great, but the 44 magnum is plenty good enough.
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Old 12-31-2003, 03:45 PM
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So true. I got into reloading in anticipation of buying a 454. Once I got further into it, discovered that a 454 was not what I needed. So, I'm still reloading, albeit for different cartridges. It's all good!
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Old 12-31-2003, 05:25 PM
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well for defence you have to consider these things.

1) how many shots? the Raging Bull will have 5 shots the Colt will have 6.
2) what will you be running into? do you really even need even a .44 (for bear YES, bull YES, rattlers, no .357 or .41 should do for that, ect)
3) how much are you willing to shell out? a shot of .454 is a buck fifty (last time i checked)
4) Kick. can you reaquire your target fast enough.
5) if it doesn't go down with a shot (maybe 2) of a .44 mag, will a .454 be that much of a differnce?
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Old 01-02-2004, 11:00 AM
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I've used both caliber guns and as far as I know the kick of a .454 is not much worse than a .44 magnum so if you can handle the 44 you shouldn't have much of a problem. A friend of mine was hunting in Vermont (where I live) and ran into a blackbear. His .308 was on his back (deer hunting) on a sling. To make a long story short, it took 3 shots from his .44 magnum to drop the black bear. Now if you place the shots correctly you only need one, but when you panick you might not have the chance to aim perfectly. That is the only real advantage of the .454 it has considerable more stopping power. The price of the rounds however might negate that advantage.
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Old 01-02-2004, 11:04 AM
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Just as an afterthought, maybe you would like a Ruger Super Redhawk better than a Taurus. Both seem like nice guns (and I've only shot a .454 by Ruger), but the Ruger does have 6 shots compared to Taurus 5.
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Old 01-02-2004, 01:24 PM
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well I decided on the Taurus 454 after really reading up on (including your responses) and handling the S&W 629, the SRH, and the Taurus.

One thing is for sure, if I run out of ammo, I could probably just beat something to death with it...it sure weighs enough!

Anyway thanks for all your help...it was much appreciated

This is a great board and I will definitely add it to my list or regularly visited CCW and firearm forums!
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Old 01-02-2004, 03:05 PM
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NO KIDDING...im not sure which has more energy...a 300 grain load...or throwing it at something...good luck...
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well I decided on the Taurus 454 after really reading up on (including your responses) and handling the S&W 629, the SRH, and the Taurus.

One thing is for sure, if I run out of ammo, I could probably just beat something to death with it...it sure weighs enough!

Anyway thanks for all your help...it was much appreciated

This is a great board and I will definitely add it to my list or regularly visited CCW and firearm forums!
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Old 01-02-2004, 03:11 PM
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well I decided on the Taurus 454 after really reading up on (including your responses) and handling the S&W 629, the SRH, and the Taurus.

One thing is for sure, if I run out of ammo, I could probably just beat something to death with it...it sure weighs enough!

Anyway thanks for all your help...it was much appreciated

This is a great board and I will definitely add it to my list or regularly visited CCW and firearm forums!

You made a wise choice. Ruger has problems with stuck cases but the Tarus we shoot does not, plus the spongy grips are just the best!
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Old 01-04-2004, 09:25 PM
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Greetings and Hapy New Year.With that out of the way, and after reading other replys, my two cents is ... Stay with what you can handle. Many a big man can not handle a 454 casull handgun. they recoil alot (I have two and I'm married twice - nothing scares me). An excellent gun for the back woods is a Ruger Blackhawk in .44 mag (for carry - get the 4 5/8 inch barrel) or one in .45 Colt.
You didn't let on that you are a handgun hunter. As I read, you need a power house for the off chance you run into a bear or the like. You don't need a double action gun - you can't double tap a full house .44.
If you think that two legged rodents are your problem, then, a 1911 type (Kimber,Springfield,Colt,ParaOrd) is the ticket.
And don't forget, very important, you choice in ammo. Match the load to the game. Don't go cheap. with the above two caliber suggestions, there are all kinds of lite loads you can practice with.
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In the last few months, I read an article on bear defense; it was in Rifle or Handloader magazine. Those authors seem to be pretty well experienced. The author proposed that in a fast, close range encounter with a bear, the only shot that you could depend on to stop an attack, was a brain shot. As you may be shooting quickly, while moving, multiple, controlled shots may be required to hit your mark. And, you may have only one hand free, so double action is preferable. Finally, since any brain shot does the trick, it doesn’t matter if the bullet is 22 caliber or 60 caliber. The most controllable round, that will reliably pierce a bears noggin, is a heavy, hard-cast bullet from a 357 magnum- and that is what the author recommended. Makes sense to me. My recovery time from shooting my 44 is huge, even with two hands. With one hand, I couldn’t get off controlled, multiple shots.

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Old 01-06-2004, 04:14 PM
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I read that article as well. Let me tell you, in case you have never been in front of a BIG GRISSLY, you wont want a .357 and the recoil from a .44mag - trust me- you wont notice a bit. All you will notice after the adventure is that you soiled your pants.

Here is a true story. My friend is a cop (used to be) One day while on patrol in the middle of nowhere he had to answer a call about a Steer that was on the Highway. When he got there the Steer attacked him. He was falling backwards dumping round after round of his .45acp into the head of the Cow. All the bullets bounced off the cows head as he did not have a good 90 degree angle. Besides a 230g round nose simply does not have penetration power on bone, its made for people.

Had he been allowed to carry a .44 mag with 320g cast - Flat Points, the first shot would have dropped the cow. I know it, he knows it and the other cop that watched this happen and laughed his butt off knows it too. The other cop confirmed the story too me.

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