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Old 12-07-2012, 05:06 AM
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My feelings on various .45's Iv'e owned over the years.

Colt Commander, Combat Commander- Had these in the 70's and 80's. Had to spend hundreds of dollars to get them to function, add ambi safety, etc. then they were good to go. No experience with Colt's made recently.

S&W M645- Huge pistol but accurate, reminded me of a Browning Hi-Power on steroids.

Kimber CDP II- Love it, will keep it forever and have it buried with me. Light weight, compact, nearly as accurate as full size 1911's I've owned. Only 1911 I haven't felt like I needed to modify at all.

Kimber Match Target- Very accurate, but heavy for carry. Was more of my "range gun".

Glock 21- liked the capacity, not liking the trigger. Have owned several Glocks in other calibers, never could get used to the trigger. Better accuracy than my HK USP, but that's not saying much.

HK USP- Liked the fact that I could carry it cocked and locked like my 1911's, but blocky and clunky, least accurate of all these pistols.

Springfield XD- Haven't owned one, but a friend bought one, and I've put quite a few rounds through it. Liked the trigger much more than a Glock, nice shooter.

Ruger 345- My most recent purchase. wanted a cheaper .45 to leave in the vehicle. Slim grip, light, accurate, lightest felt recoil of any .45 I've shot. Previous owner had deactivated the mag safety, so that's not an issue. So far, seems like quite a gun for $400 or so. (the Springfield XD as well).

These are just my observations/opinions, will be interesting to hear other opinions on .45's.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:16 AM
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I have not owned near as many 45s as you but I too spent a lot of money and time trying to get a Colt Commander to function correctly. I have owned several Springfield Armory 1911s and have found them to be very dependable. Being an old guy who grew up with revolvers I have had several 45 acp revolvers which I really liked. I still conceal carry more revolvers than autos. Keep trying the different 45s though as that is what makes life enjoyable.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:49 PM
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I have several 1911 models that ranged from $500 bucks to $1,800 dollars! In a 1911 you get what you paid for no question about that fact. If you just want a CCW tool for up close, any of them will do ya fine.

Now if you want to shoot targets in small groups at 25 yards, then you will pay to accomplish that feat. Then if you wish to own a super nice looking 1911, that shoots 2 inch groups or better at 50 yards, you best be prepared to spend some real cash, which is more likely to be over $2000 plus dollars.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:33 PM
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I have had several .45 Autos going back to the early 80's that I was either issued or owned. I loved the old Colt 1911 I was issued and carried in CA as a Marine MP Dog Handler. It always worked, but was not very accurate and I was not a very good pistol shooter then, but I liked that 1911.

I owed a couple Series 80 Colts in the 1980's, but never shot them well and did not like that they needed a bunch of customization to really shoot well--I could not afford that then.

I had a S&W 645 in the 90's--I think that was the model #? A large frame stainless DA/SA 8 shot auto. A very nice gun for the money IMO and I shot it pretty well--I worked hard at mastering that first DA shot and wish I had not sold the gun.

Had a Glock 21 and a Glock 30 too and liked them, though the 30 was too bulky for concealed carry so I did not keep it long. The 21 was very nice and reliable and once I was used to the Glock trigger I shot it well.

I only got rid of the Glock 21 .45 Auto when I got tired of chasing brass and reloading and went to a Glock 9mm and factory ammo. That was back when I considered 9mm ammo cheap and I did not save my brass. Then 9mm ammo got more expensive and I started reloading it and was back to chasing brass...

Just this autumn I got a Ruger 1911 and like it very much. It has been very reliable, is accurate and has a very nice trigger. It is a much nicer 1911 than the Colt's I had in the 80's. I am also thinking of getting a Gen 4 Glock 21, and maybe a 36...
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:58 PM
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Gotta love that S&W 645. Had one for a long time. Great club when outta rounds. Bought S&W model with officer frame and commander slide (uck6268)? Has 4 1/4" barrel and love this gun. Great trigger out of the box. Had my name on a list of the Ruger 1911 backlog not expecting to get it for six months and guess what, they call two days later after buying the Smith. The Smith is superior to the Ruger in some ways but the Ruger is very accurate I think due to longer barrel length (sight) picture. Better trigger on the Smith. Wife on my azz and gotta sell one but what do I do. I got it, get rid of the old lady. Really, the Smith is the better gun.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:26 PM
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Then if you wish to own a super nice looking 1911, that shoots 3 inch groups or better at 50 yards, you best be prepared to spend some real cash, which is more likely to be over $2000 plus dollars.
I don't think you have to spend that kind of money to get one that shoots 3" at 50. There are a lot of quality 1911s on the market today that come in well under $2,000 such as the offers from Kimber and Springfield. I owned many handguns over the years but only 3 different 45s, two 1911s (which I still own) and one S&W 4506 that I traded off years ago. That 4506 was one BIG handgun!

Due to my line of work, I've had the pleasure of shooting a lot of different handguns over the years to include a few Wilson Combat's, a couple of Les Baer's, many different Kimbers, Springfield 1911s and XDs, lots of Glocks, a few Smith & Wessons, a couple of Rugers, several Sigs, and many other less popular and/or more obscure brands. Regardless of what new whiz bang design comes to market I still find myself gravitating back to my 1911's.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:47 AM
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Out of production, but I always find myself looking for another.
One of my favorites is my Star PD. Eats everything I put in it. Light enough for me. It actually goes out with me quite a bit. Adj rear site on the 2 I own. I have plenty of buffers. You will find plenty of folks to run them down, and plenty to say good about them. Mine have been fine for their role.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:54 AM
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HKs for me, any style they make. Unlike the OP every HK I have owned has been drop dead accurate. Everything from the Mark 23 to the PS9s have all been way more accurate than I am. Nor have I had any that malfunctioned due to the pistol. One cannot blame a pistol for bad ammo now can one?
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:02 PM
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Various 45 autos.
Well..........I started out with the original military issue Colt 1911 in 1982 in the USMC. When I became a civilian once again, I had to have one of my own. Over the next ten years or so, I had a few, traded on another and so forth. I even bought a Norinco 1911A1 at a gun show when they came out and I customized it myself mainly with Wilson Combat parts. Not sure why I didn't keep any of them for very long, but in the early 90's the Glock was all over the pages of the gun magazines. I had to get a G21 and shortly after.....a G30. Well, those were nice......I really liked the 13 round capacity magazine of the G21 and the G30 10 round was appealing as well. They just ended up being too muzzle heavy on the G30 and too large of a grip on the G21 for me. My G30 was the one I held onto for the longest. Then I went in search of another 1911 model of some sort. At the time, SIG had come out with their 1911 version the GSR or whatever. I was sort of apprehensive trying something so new on the market. Low and behold.....my G30 trade on the market found some interest and the guy wanted to trade a SIG P220 SAO. I went for the trade, and I'm glad I did. The SIG P220 SAO is everything I'd been looking for since 1986. Even though the 1911 still runs through my mind now and then, I feel the P220 SAO is the best of everything to me. Single action, trigger reset, cycle the slide and chamber a round with the safety engaged, stainless steel, inherently accurate, etc........
My opinions on various 45s is only the extent of my personal experience. I do know that I'll never want to pay a grand for something that needs a break-in period. I do like the 45ACP, and I'll never be without one. It is what it is I reckon.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:30 PM
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Well to have a 1911 that will in fact, shoot a 2 inch group from 50 yards is just not done that easy with the 45-acp caliber. I have 3 Kimbers, one a target model, two custom Colts (Gold Cup & model 70 series) and spent over $800 dollars on one and a $1000 on the other back in the 1970's. Shot over 12,000 rounds that year. The winner shoot 23,000 rounds and burned out two barrels in his pistols. He lived in the worst part of the Texas backwoods and spent all his time reloading and shooting and I mean all his time. I myself could not devote that much of my time to the sport and did not won't to invest in the newest reloading equiptment called the GREEN MACHINE.

I shot Practical Pistol Course back then too! One had to be an athlete to compete in that class. Run over hurdles, jump over barriers and shoot etc, run through colverts, swing on rope over a water barrie, then climb over an 8ft wall with rope and shoot the pistol. They don't do that nowdays........not enough physically fit shooters!!!

To have a 1911(or any other caliber over .22LR) that will shoot a 2 inch group at 25 yards, is a heck of a handgun period. Now I think Kimbers are very good but not a 2 inch gun at 50 yards unless you get extra work done. My Kimber Carry pistols will not shoot 2 inch at 25yds....3 inches yes! Their Bobbed models sure won't qualify. The last two I shot at the gun range had Jamming sessions!

The STI pistol is a very good 1911 but you won't buy it for a song and dance people. Les Bare pistols are great pistols but the price is not a $1000 dollars either. A real jewel of a 1911 costs Bucks, there is a lot of work that has to go into that pistol. Gun Smithing costs around $90 bucks an hour give or take a 10-spot. I also own Para-Ordinacance, Springfields and a few others. My COLT GOLD CUP will shoot 2 inch groups and so will the STI but I had to pay the prevailing price for such pistols.

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Old 12-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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Well, that pretty much sums it up boys. Thanx 2bits. So I be a maybe average POS shooter but will take the S&W outta the box. No knox to you 2bits, you are just light years ahead of me. No fiction, just fact, no joking.

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Old 12-12-2012, 01:46 AM
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.45acp....
Hmmmm...As with the other posters here, I had all I coud do to get a Colt to function properly.

I own two 45 autos right now;
A Springfield Champion [commander] loaded lightweight, and a
Kimber Pro CDP II
Both of these guns out of the box were dead on accurate and without any issues. I would trust either without question.

For a while I too owned a Smith, the 4506, which I swear could feed and fire stones if'n they had primers.
Had an HK tactical for a while....maked the 645/4506 series look small....

Also, I still own to this date, another non 1911 style, the Smith 325PD revolver. This gun has a titanium frame and Scandium cylinder, and weighs just 18 oz empty!!!! Loaded it might be 24 oz. It's got a stiff recoil, but if used as designed, is very managable, and believe it or not concealable abd carry ready even for an N frame in a high riding pancake for winter carry.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:51 AM
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My absolute favorite is a Springfield Ultra Combat. Stainless, fits my hand well, in 10 years never a problem. Not a tack driver, but very functionally accurate. It goes with me more than any other.

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Old 12-12-2012, 07:10 AM
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sandog,

I have owned, or still own, most of the .45s you mentioned. I like the M1911 and M1911A1 as well as the 645. My real favorites are "Mud 1" and "Mud 2." Back in the 1980s I was shooting lots of combat and PPC matches with S&W revolvers and .45 automatics. I picked up two .45 1911-type frames at a gun show. Mud-1 was blued and Mud-2 was a stainless AMT frame; both had the ejectors staked in. A short time later I traded some stuff for a cigar box of .45 parts that included everything but the frames. I put together two .45s and dashed to the range to test my favorite cast 200 grain SWC handload. Both guns shot about one-inch groups at 25 yards from the bench.

A while later I traded off Mud-1 and kept Mud-2 because it is two-tone (stainless frame and blued slide) like Jeff Cooper's .45.

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Old 12-12-2012, 01:00 PM
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My feelings on various .45's Iv'e owned over the years.

Colt Commander, Combat Commander- Had these in the 70's and 80's. Had to spend hundreds of dollars to get them to function, add ambi safety, etc. then they were good to go. No experience with Colt's made recently.

S&W M645- Huge pistol but accurate, reminded me of a Browning Hi-Power on steroids.

Kimber CDP II- Love it, will keep it forever and have it buried with me. Light weight, compact, nearly as accurate as full size 1911's I've owned. Only 1911 I haven't felt like I needed to modify at all.

Kimber Match Target- Very accurate, but heavy for carry. Was more of my "range gun".

Glock 21- liked the capacity, not liking the trigger. Have owned several Glocks in other calibers, never could get used to the trigger. Better accuracy than my HK USP, but that's not saying much.

HK USP- Liked the fact that I could carry it cocked and locked like my 1911's, but blocky and clunky, least accurate of all these pistols.

Springfield XD- Haven't owned one, but a friend bought one, and I've put quite a few rounds through it. Liked the trigger much more than a Glock, nice shooter.

Ruger 345- My most recent purchase. wanted a cheaper .45 to leave in the vehicle. Slim grip, light, accurate, lightest felt recoil of any .45 I've shot. Previous owner had deactivated the mag safety, so that's not an issue. So far, seems like quite a gun for $400 or so. (the Springfield XD as well).

These are just my observations/opinions, will be interesting to hear other opinions on .45's.

I am a 1911 ma through and through, mine all function without fail and are accurate. I also own the HK USP which very accurate and the one a friend owns is also accurate
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I have owned dozens of GI M1911 and M1911A1 pistols while in college in the late 1960s ($20 to $35 each) and later when I resided in NH for 26 years. I have NEVER owned a 1911/A1 that did not function 100%, and some were pretty "ratty looking", which justifies the wisdom of John Browning's design. When it MUST go BANG, make SURE it is a M1911/A1. I only have 7 such originals now because of trades and such like.

When posters say they cannot get a Colt to function properly, are they talking GI .45s or Commercial Colts? My ONLY commercial Colt is a Series 70 Gold Cup that I hand carried back to Colt in Hartford, Connecticut in 1985 for many reasons which they corrected. I only concern myself with GI .45s, except for the REFITTED Goldcup, and NO GI .45 has ever failed my exacting tests.

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I was referring to a 1918 Colt 'black Army' that I bought at a gun show. The gun would not fire 5 rounds continuosly. I tried mags, springs, polishing of feed ramps, and a myriad of other tries that would not make the gun run. I sold it, to a gent would spent close to $1000 @ a gunsmith to get it to function. What was done I do not recall, but it was a handsome gun.
The owner before me hard chromed it, killing the collector value, but preserving the metal forever.

Today I stick with my Springfield Lightweight, finished in Springfield's Armory coat. It may not be to everyone's taste, but functions 100%.


And my newest 1911, a Kimber Pro CDP II. once I put a few hundred rounds thru it, I will likely believe it it too. Right now, I'm at two boxes, and it'll take a few more to prove itself. Accuracy however has been incredibly tight.
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My opinion isn't valid yet?, I've only had my 1911 for a week now, haven't shot either?, but since all of my centerfire and rimfire hand guns are Ruger's I had to go with the Ruger "SR1911", if it shoots as good as it looks!?
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My reliability problems with 1911's back in the 70's and 80's were with commercial Colt's. The G.I. issue 1911's were very reliable, just not very accurate. Accuracy was hampered by the small sights and loose fit of bushing around the barrel, but the loose tolerances helped the reliability, kind of like the way an AK-47 has loose tolerances but goes bang every time. Also personally, I never could get used to an arched mainspring housing, it might help "pointability" but was just a lump in my hand that bothered me. The first thing I did to my 1911's was to swap out to a flat mainspring housing.
I only kept my Glock 21 for about a year, it shot well enough, but the grip was a bit too fat for my average hands. If i had kept it, I probably would have had the Robar modification done to reduce the grip. I hear that the latest Generation of G21 has the grip made a bit smaller. I carried a Glock 20 10mm for almost a decade though and liked it.
In all fairness, I could probably have gotten better accuracy from my HK USP if i had kept it long enough to try more loads in it. I used what I had on hand, W-W 230 gr. Hardball and the 2 handloads that had shot well in my other .45's, Remington 185 Golden Sabers loaded to a tad over 1000 fps. and Speer 200 gr. Gold Dots loaded to 950 fps.
One day a guy at the range had a CZ75 in .40 caliber that i thought was really sweet shooting, i'd like to try one in .45.
I've heard good things about the Ruger 1911's, a friend just bought one, but i haven't had a chance to shoot it. He lives in Prescott, Az., so that might have influenced his decision, nice to have a handgun made in your hometown.
Does anyone that has a 1911 also own a .22 conversion unit ? I have great fun with mine, It is 100% relaible with Mini -Mags and W-W high velocity, but wont feed Federals at all. Must be the shape of the bullet on the Federals. When i let someone shoot the .22/1911 i have a hard time getting it back from them! They have a big grin on their face and will keep shootin it till all my ammo is gone!
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:23 AM
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I've got a Kimber-branded .22 upper. Think it was made by Ciener (?).

Anyway, mine is ammo-sensitive, to the point cold weather will affect it. It is just an awful lot of mass to cycle with a .22 rimfire. CCI Mini-Mags have been the most reliable with it.

It's neat to use, but way less reliable than a Ruger auto (or probably any other semi-auto that was designed from the ground up for a .22). Maybe there are other brands that do better.... ?
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