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Old 07-30-2013, 08:43 AM
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Everyone knows I am a huge fan of Ruger Super BlackHawks and Super RedHawks, but have been recently disappointed with the new Ruger Super Blackhawk. I love my 7 1/2" barrel stainless 44 mag SBK so i decided after I wanted one of the new stainless short 5 1/2 barreled SBK with the round trigger gaurd, they are a really looking nice. Well last weekend I made up my mine that I was going to town and was going to come home with one. I went to 3 different gun stores, looked at 6 different ones both stainless and blue. THEIR TRIGGERS ARE NOW GARBAGE!!!!! I have never seen so much creep in a Ruger pistol. I have 2 SBK's both have a nice really clean breaking trigger, I have 2 SRK's both of those have sweet triggers. The first one I looked at I thought well its just a bad representative of a Ruger pistol, but by the end of the day and trying 6 different ones they all had the same horrible creep. The interesting thing about it I did pick up a 7 1/2" barreled one like mine, it had a nice trigger. I really would like a one of the short barreled 44 mags but I wont own anything with a bad trigger!

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Old 07-30-2013, 10:07 AM
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It happens a majority of the time, the founder/head dies and within a decade or so the "new brass" start changing things up in quest for the mighty dollar and market share. Longtime employees retire/leave and the new MBAs are brought in to "modernize"...

Ruger ISN'T the same company it was when Pappa Bill ran things that's for sure. I realize indeed the gun industry isn't near the same as well. Ruger hasn't fallen to the outright "outhouse" like Remington has... YET, but for sure they are building more cheap, entry level crap than ever before. (When I hear "marketshare" uttered by anyone I want to pop a cap in someones posterior!)

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Old 07-30-2013, 10:25 AM
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The Ruger line of firearms have fallen prey to the lawyer proof triggers. I've noticed it isn't a new development, it's been going on for quite some time.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:32 AM
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It's not only Ruger that liability laws have affected.
But, it's not a big deal to install an aftermarket trigger.
I did that with my Super Blackhawk 30 years ago.
I did the same with my Mark ll pistol.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:11 PM
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It's not only Ruger that liability laws have affected.
But, it's not a big deal to install an aftermarket trigger.
I did that with my Super Blackhawk 30 years ago.
I did the same with my Mark ll pistol.
I know it isnt that big of a deal but when I put over $600 down for a pistol I shouldnt have to work on it. My other Super Blackhawks have excellent triggers and one is just over 3 years old. Before I spend $600+ dollars and do a trigger job on a pistol I will just go buy another S&W Performance Center 44 mag. that needs absolutely nothing done to it. I dont believe it has squat to do with lawsuits, if so how does S&W get away with it? Its about crappy quality control, like I said I looked at a new stainless 7 1/2" barreled Super Blachawk and it had a great trigger but the 5 1/2" barreled ones and one 7 1/2" Super Blackhawk Hunter that I looked at had terrible triggers. DONT BUY A NEW RUGER PISTOL WITHOUT FIRST CHECKING IT OVER CAREFULLY!!!
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Old 07-30-2013, 01:57 PM
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It happens a majority of the time, the founder/head dies and within a decade or so the "new brass" start changing things up in quest for the mighty dollar and market share.
So very true, and so sad.
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So instead of paying $600 for Ruger and spending another $50 on it you would rather spend $1,200 or $1,500 for a Smith?
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Old 07-30-2013, 03:09 PM
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So instead of paying $600 for Ruger and spending another $50 on it you would rather spend $1,200 or $1,500 for a Smith?
Yep!! The S&W Performance Center is worth every penny. I can buy the Performance Center for $1000. My problem with Ruger is if they have let this much slop on the trigger get passed quality control, just what else have they let go to crap?
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Sounds like ya have your mind made up.The Ruger will still be a much stronger platform.I do understand your concern.Makes me wonder though why the long barrel version would be a completely different gun than the short one.
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:35 PM
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In my limited experience, Iv'e never found a Ruger with a superb trigger. My mother's LC9 has a lawyer trigger, and my OLD MODEL Redhawk has a serous double action trigger (smooth, but serous). Even the single action is still stout.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:07 AM
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In my limited experience, Iv'e never found a Ruger with a superb trigger. My mother's LC9 has a lawyer trigger, and my OLD MODEL Redhawk has a serous double action trigger (smooth, but serous). Even the single action is still stout.
I dont mind stout, its the creep that I will not tolerate, actually all of my Rugers both single and double action have pretty good triggers, not the Performance Center quality but pretty dang good.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:31 AM
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Sounds like ya have your mind made up.The Ruger will still be a much stronger platform.I do understand your concern.Makes me wonder though why the long barrel version would be a completely different gun than the short one.
I know the Ruger is "stronger" but I have been shooting both Ruger and S&W 44 mags for over 25 years and guess what? I have never seen where the Smith needed to be any stonger then it is, the Ruger is over built.

That is exactly why I think it is a QC issue, I looked at 6 different short barreled guns, all had alot of creep, but it wasnt consistent, some where really bad others were not as bad but not what I would own. The Longer barreled Hunter model with the Bisley grip and scope rings also had a pretty bad creep to it, not as bad as some of the shorter barreled ones I tried but bad. The best one I found was the 7 1/2" stainless, it had a decent trigger with very little creep, but I already have this same gun both in stainless and blue. if it was a lawyer trigger they would all be about the same. That lawyer trigger is just a cop out for poor workmanship, like I said there are companies that are producing guns with great triggers. A few years back Ruger handguns had decent triggers, not the greatest but not bad, their rifles had horrible triggers but now it seems there rifles has decent triggers and their pistols have horrible triggers.

I refuse to spend $600+ and have to take a new pistol and have a trigger job done which is going to run at least $100, you now have $700+ in a Ruger that if you ever sell will be worth about $400. At least with the Performance Center you have to do nothing to it, it comes perfect. I can get one right now for $1000 and If I was to ever sell it, it would be worth about $1000. I have a 629 Stealth Hunter Performance Center that I paid over $1500 for, so at $1000 for the 629 Competitor, it a steal, no way to lose money on that gun.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:18 AM
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I think you've been lucky. My Redhawk (7" bbl.), from the mid-1980's and an identical one a friend got around that time both had pretty terrible double-action triggers and 7 lb single-action triggers (one pound for each inch of barrel, I said at the time). I don't recall any creep, though. Anyway, I bought an adapter for a Power Custom trigger jig I have and we used that to get our SA triggers down to 4 lbs, which was about as light as I felt I could really control well with the weight of the RH + scope held out at arm's length with a firm grip.

A very useful trick that comes from the Smith & Wesson armorer's school is to mix up a slurry of JB Bore Compound and well-shaken Break-Free CLP. The shaking is to get the Teflon powder in suspension before mixing it in. Simply coating the lockwork parts with this stuff then operating it double-action smooths the double-action pull significantly. The abrasive rubs down small surface irregularities and the Teflon burnishes in, resulting the "buttery smooth" feel tuned S&W's are known for, even when pull weight isn't much reduced. I have never tried this on the single-action trigger, though, fearing it would spoil a clean break. Since you don't have that anyway, you may feel you have nothing to lose by trying it.

I also made a useful modification to the Redhawk trigger housing. I drilled and tapped a hole for a 5-48 set screw through the bottom of the mainspring tunnel. This comes out behind the top rear of the trigger and acts as an adjustable overtravel stop. You would not believe how much better the Redhawk SA trigger feels when you eliminate most of the overtravel, even if you do little else.
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I've been shooting Ruger revolvers for over 40 years. I've never gotten a good trigger on one right out of the box. Last year I bought the same gun you're looking at, a SBH with the round trigger guard in stainless. It was like all the other Rugers I've ever owned. No better, no worse. Just a typical Ruger. I have to say, I've never seen a good Ruger trigger on anyone's gun right out of the box. If Ruger ever had a good one without any work being done on it, I've never seen it. S&W has always had pretty decent triggers from the factory. I've owned a lot of both brands. Each has it's strong points and its weak points. You pay more for the S&W but you get a little more.
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Like nsb, I too have been shooting Rugers for about 40 years. I have one that did not require trigger work, a 3 screw 4 inch plus in .41 Mag. I bought it used in 1979. All others required trigger work which I do myself. I like the guns, I like their mass and I like them after the required trigger job. I just assume they will need one.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:24 AM
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I have several Rugers all of which have hard triggers, I can deal with that from a pistol, they all break clean, no creep what so ever. I have never had a Ruger SA or DA that has had the amount of creep that I seen in all but 1 new Ruger that I looked at this weekend. I will not own a pistol with a trigger that has this amount of creep, I have seen Taurus's with better triggers.
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Long ago I learned that if I wanted things my way with factory firearms, I had to learn to do it myself. That's why I have Ruger SA tools and a trigger jig for honing the sear engagement. There is nothing like a creep free 2 pound trigger when shooting at 200 meters. My Redhawk and Super Redhawk models only required a Wolff spring swap and a touch of the stones to fit. There are parts available from Power Custom that drop-in to improve Ruger SA trigger pull. It is a shame that most factory firearms are really pre-assembled kits these days, which is why I purchase new bare Remington 700 actions to build them my way. Sadly, few firearms manufacturers can lavish the time on producing the fine trigger we want. Their only concern is that the trigger is safe. Just trying find skilled labor these days is a problem. I had trouble finding college graduates that could spell or write coherent sentences let alone perform precision assembly work. I believe that the days of refined triggers on factory firearms is a thing of the past.

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I echo your experience with the new wave of College Graduates, especially those with Post graduate degrees but NO real life employment experience.

One I ran into was a Masters in Integrated Circuit Design, graduated from schools in India, and had NEVER seen a real Integrated Circuit Chip under a microscope. All his training had been theory and on paper, no 'hands on lab work', and he did not know which end of a screw driver to use to remove a screw when I first met him. Good on paper, maybe good on computers, but bad news with a hand tool.
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Ruger is going where the market is!!!

Automatic pistols.

They have forgotten the rifles and the revolver markets.

If you want a Ruger No, 1 get it now. Same for the Model 77/Hawkeye.

Most Autos are greatly over-priced for the quality and metal and machining...that means BIG profits. Also if my range time is and indicator, those I see buying autos seldom have even a poor shooting skill level...just buy it, and then speed shoot a box of shells and store. So quality in todays pistol market is not required to make bundles of $$$$.
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