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Old 12-22-2007, 06:54 AM
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I bought the lee anniversary kit and the powder thrower seems finicky to me

if I wanted to buy "the best" and be done with it, what would that be?
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Old 12-22-2007, 07:18 AM
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I make no claims that it is better than others but my Harrell is a joy to use and I wouldn't be without it. They make 3-4 different sizes and I think you would probably have to buy two of them to be able to measure everything from small charges of pistol powder to magnum rifle charges.
This one is the benchrest size and it will NOT work with small charges of powder like unique or bullseye.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:18 AM
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There's lots of throwers on the market, but the Little Lee really is one of the best I've used. There's several on my bench and the Lee is one of the most accurate I've used. I've found that the most consistent thrower from what my chronograph says is the RCBS electronic dispenser/measure. There was also a redding on here at one time, so I've tried most on the market except for the fine Harrell Ken talks about.



This system gives me the most consistant loads of all the measures I've used in over 45 years of loading.



For super consistency some folks throw to very near the target weight then trickle to exact weight. I've done that, but that's exactly how the electronic dispenser works. Getting your scale and trickler up to eye level will make that technique more consistent.



I've used lots of equipment over the past 45 years and if you learn to use the Lee stuff you'll find that quality doesn't equate to price. This little plastic stuff with the polymer wiper inside the drum throws very consistent loads compared to the metal drums cutting and bridging problems with large grained powder such as 4831.
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Old 12-22-2007, 10:37 AM
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I also like the Lee. I've used most of the others including some ridiculously expensive benchrest measures, and I still prefer the Lee.

Downside is it's not very sturdy. If you're inclined to abuse your equipment, the Lee won't last.
Upside is it's very inexpensive. If you decide you don't like it, you're not out much- especially if you resell or trade it off.
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:28 PM
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:17 PM
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I have an RCBS that I've had for 30 years, it's a great measure,but if you have to force it to cut powder kurnels which happens very often, you may as well dump that charge back into the hopper.
I also have the little cheep Lee and it works much better with coarse powders, but makes a mess with ball and sperical powders. I can't keep them from leaking past the drum. I guess they all have their limitations.
I recommend keeping a Lee powder scale and powder measure arround for backup if nothing more, cause stuff breaks, and they are cheep insurance.
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:43 PM
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I have an old Ohaus Du-O-Measure and a recent Lyman 55. The Lyman is much more convenient with it's rear champ for set-up and clean up. There's not much difference in accuracy with .222 and larger loads of stick powder, but the Ohaus shines with light loads of flake powder. The drum of the Ohaus is a bit loose and I don't even want to try a fine ball powder like W296 in it.

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Old 12-22-2007, 07:46 PM
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the powders I am using so far have been Varget and h4891 and soon 2400
It works, with the 4891 it seems to throw light loads some time, I am working on my technique for consistancy as I am sure that's some of it

perhaps it's actually very close but the Lee scale is showing it's off, maybe it's within a 1/10 of a grain
I guess a digital scale would tell me that instantly...

it's just a pain to dial in the exact amount I want, say if I want 46g of 4891
I set my scale to be 46g and adjust the thrower to get there

I have read the reviews on Midway and the Lee stuff and the thrower does get good reviews
Perhaps I will just buy another one or two and leave them setup for various powder charges

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Old 12-22-2007, 09:05 PM
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I'm happy with my uniflow works great with 4350, 4320, 748 and unique, have not used
it with H110 yet
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:07 AM
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the powders I am using so far have been Varget and h4891 and soon 2400
It works, with the 4891 it seems to throw light loads some time, I am working on my technique for consistancy as I am sure that's some of it

perhaps it's actually very close but the Lee scale is showing it's off, maybe it's within a 1/10 of a grain
I guess a digital scale would tell me that instantly...

it's just a pain to dial in the exact amount I want, say if I want 46g of 4891
I set my scale to be 46g and adjust the thrower to get there

I have read the reviews on Midway and the Lee stuff and the thrower does get good reviews
Perhaps I will just buy another one or two and leave them setup for various powder charges

thanks

I was having similar issues at first with my lee kit. I did buy a digital scale to find out that my little "cheap" Lee thrower was throwing to wthin .01 grains always. Not that was with bullseye and h335. Havent tried any others.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:27 AM
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I hate these "best" questions. There is seldom a "best" anything unless you define "best at what" very closely. There are many powders measures out there, and you could claim that every one of them is best at one particular thing or for some specific use.

That said, one very good measure is the JDS Quick Measure - and it hasn't been mentioned here yet. So here's a link http://www.quick-measure.com/
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:05 AM
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I was having similar issues at first with my lee kit. I did buy a digital scale to find out that my little "cheap" Lee thrower was throwing to wthin .01 grains always. Not that was with bullseye and h335. Havent tried any others.
that's part of what I was thinking.. with the lee scale it can be off and I don't know how far off it is

the results are good though as I am getting very accurate loads
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:25 AM
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Interesting point about a scale being off. That's the reason a person should have some check weights.

For years Jack O'Conner published loads for his 270 and most found it impossible to duplicate the velocities he was getting. After Jack O'Conner passed on his wife let some folks check his reloading equipment. His scale was weighing charges between 2 and 4 grains heavier than what it was reading.

Like Tom Vito said the Lee perfect powder measure throws charges within .01 according to my electronic scale and even closer according to my Lee scale. The Lee scale is one of the most accurate that I've ever used and I have a set of check weights. There are often times when quality doesn't equate with price.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:21 AM
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the powders I am using so far have been Varget and h4891 and soon 2400 ..... It works, with the 4891 it seems to throw light loads some time, I am working on my technique for consistancy as I am sure that's some of it .........
My measure is the Redding 3BR, it throws very repeatable charges with every powder I've put though it and your statement about technique is spot on. To get consistent powder throws I tap on the side of the measure between each load. Tapping it settles the powder and helps achieve consistent metering. I also make sure I lift the lever exactly the same way each time and visually examine each filled case and compare it to the previous one. It works for me.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:50 AM
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I hate these "best" questions.
Believe all of today's reloading equipment is good enough to get the job done be it at either end of the price spectrum. Some just offer more conveniences or seem to work smoother so a lot of what someone feels is "best" is subjective. Anything that is of truly poor quality would not last long on the market. That being said, getting the best accuracy out of a powder measure depends greatly on the reloader being consistent in his/her operating technique. Frequently verifying charges on the scale will point out inconsistencys in operating technique more so than any fault of the measure. Although I am not a powder measure "tapper", the number of reloaders who report consistent charges using this technique indicate that it can be done. Their technique works as does mine. So rather than ask "What is the best powder measure?" it might pay to try working on your technique before shopping for a new measure.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:59 PM
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I think Marshal really hit the nail on the head. All of my equipment works well. Stuff that doesn't work usually doesn't because of the operator not the equipment. "subjective" is a very good observation.

Good post Mr. Kane.
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Old 12-30-2007, 12:26 PM
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I've put this up before, but I'll do it again. You can put additional baffles in a powder measure to improve charge fall into the measuring chamber. This file has instructions and templates for making your own.
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ive got a hornady thrower which works ok with extruded powders and imr trail boss OK within .02 grains and i picked up an old lyman ideal no55 which has to seperate sliding bars in it a big one and a little one and i can make it throw the same wieght maybe 9 out of 10 times with every powder i use from bulseye unique blue dot green dot h322 h335 reloder 7 10x and 15 and i only paid 20 bucks for it but its a pain to clean and has to be clampd down instead of bolted
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You may need to check your scale setting? Most powder scales only resolve 0.1 grains, but if they are electronic and you let them slip over to the gram setting, you will see 0.01 grams (about 0.15 grains). If that's the case, then you actually have about 0.3 grains of throwing precision. Or maybe you added the zero by mistake, in which case you have 0.2 grains. Either number would not be unusual with a stick powder in a drum-type measure. Where the drum measures shine is with ball powders, and there I've seen less than 0.1 grain repeatability in some tests (measured on a lab scale with 0.001 gram, or 0.015 grains of resolution).
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I've used the Lyman and the Lee powder measures preferring the Lee by a wide margin. The Lee throws the most consistent loads concurrent with the powder geometry. For example a fairly fine powder such as VV310 throws to.1 gr. measured on a pact digital scale. BUT the Lee will slightly leak around the barrel. Coarse extruded powders will not measure that consistent because the of it’s nature and bulk. In a fairly large capacity case such as a .308, 06 or .270 and others, three tenth of grain of powder will make no difference in accuracy. The reason being those few granules of powder don’t make a wit of difference measured on a Chrony as any slight variations are lost in the noise. However they could be important in a pistol cartridge. I use the Lee Load Master and The Pact Digital System unless I have the Lee powder measure set up on the Load Master. Then it throws directly from the powder measure.
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