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Old 01-25-2004, 12:30 PM
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Picked up a used RCBS Green Machine progressive loader today. It is set up for 38/357 and I got it cheap. Am looking for opinions on and experiences with this machine. I ran a few cases through it to see how it works, only prob I see so far is primer jamming. Is this common and are there any fixes? Any input is appreciated.

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Old 01-25-2004, 02:00 PM
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There is a reason the Green Machine only stayed in the RCBS line up for a short time...if yours works, count your blessings and don't change a thing.

Have the picked bones of one in the shed...over the years stripped screws, bolts, springs, etc. from it to fix others for other people.

How well did I like mine?
For about 10 years after, refused to have anything RCBS green in my reloading room.
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Too calm...let me let it out...that racid chunk of monkey-puke green fustration may load 200 rounds an hour, given that I spent 35min. per hour fiddling with it to get it to run at all. Even a monior powder spill (which will happen becasue the priming system often feeds a blank) will get under the little spring loaded fingers and tie up the case movement...gettin it apart to the level where you can remove that traveling cross bar takes time.

I get asked to leave gun shows...whenever I see a Green Macnine, I tend to spit on the floor and make the sign to ward off the evil-eye...when i go out and strip a part off the bones in teh shed, will wash my hands to keep the jinx from rubbing off on my other gear....I'd drive a stake theough it's heart and burry it at a cross roads under a full moon before it contaminates the rest of your loading gear.

Sorry...kind of lost it there for a bit....hope you have better luck with it than I did.

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Old 01-25-2004, 02:05 PM
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Oh, OK.

Thanx for the reply. The one I have seems to work so far, with the exception of the priming problem I mentioned.

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Old 01-31-2004, 02:12 PM
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SSB I owned one for several years the first thing I did after using it was to throw that sorry excuse of a priming device away and replaced it with a tube from a Hornady Projector press that helped. But I had to have all of the powder rotors turned of and restamped. Yes they are a pain in the butt..You have to feel the primer seating if it feels like it didn't then check the case or you will have spilled powder every where and that will mess up the works very well. I don't miss mine at all. My ex wife got it in the divorce he he he Wes
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Old 09-12-2009, 03:47 PM
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[QUOTE=singleshotbuff;50681]Oh, OK.

Thanx for the reply. The one I have seems to work so far, with the exception of the priming problem I mentioned.

SSB/QUOTE]

I am new at this site, however, I am not new at fiddling with RCBS Green Machines.

At last count I have 8 of them and tons of spare parts. Every reply you have received is right in one way or another. The units are NOT for the faint of heart and have tons of problems built into them. All or most problems can be overcome though.

Primer feed, big problem. Throw away the original and use any single stack aluminum tube. I use my Dillon primer pickup tubes with the plastic tip removed. Remove the old feed tray, install the aluminum tube but don't let it drag on the primer transfer bar. Also, don't over tighten the set screw and crush the aluminum tube.

Now dump you primers down the tube (hollow cup side up) and cycle a coule times with NO brass in the feed tubes. You should see the transfer bar come out, pickup a primer and then on the back stroke it will come up through the case transfer bar.

I use a 14 inch piece of small diameter brass rod to set on top of the primers (goes inside the aluminum feed tube) and helps make sure a primer is pushed down and into place. It will also lock the primer transfer bar in the open position when you run out of primers, thereby allerting you to a no primer situation.

Next, I found the press to be very flimsy. This is due to poor design. With the entire force being placed on the back of the presses vertical round bars the castiron die head has the tendenancy to tilt when it is at its lowest position of a cycle. This is very bad due to this location is the one that seats and crimps the bullet into the case.

I did not come up with a total fix but I did find the placing an allen headed cap screw at the right side of the of the front case retainer bar and adjusting it up and sort of loading the die head keeps things running fairly well.

If you are really interested in tons of fixes for the unit send me your real email and I will chat with you and send some photoes of my set up.

I even have a Dillon case feeder hooked to mine. On the other hand if you want a no nonsense, works right out of the box press that requires NO tinkering, just buy a low end Dillon.

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Old 10-21-2009, 10:54 AM
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Green Machine Priming

Yep, I did the same thing. I replaced the priming tray with a primer tube. I used a Star brass tube. Again, I had to cut off the rotors so it would fit. Later I fitted a electric case feeder to speed things up. Lastly, I removed the spent primer bottle and used a hose to run the spent primers into a bucket below the table. At one time I had 4 green machines in 4 different calibers, 45, 44, 38, & 9mm. I no longer have any of these machines. I have replaced them with Dillon 1050s. I think these are better (stronger) machines. The primer pocket swager allows me to use military brass in the 9mm, 45, & 223 calibers. I use a RCBS turret press for miscel calibers that don't warrant the cost of a 1050 or the conversion kit.
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:28 PM
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Green machine

I have had one for yrs in 38.I too replaced the primer tray with a tube.
recently I took care of the powder measure.I replaced the powder die and measure with a lee.the lee powder thru expander with a riser die and powder measure. works great no more spills.thats the only problems I had with it.its a copy of the C&H only lighter.and the C&H was a copy of another.I think it came out to early and it also cant be caliber changed to easy.that last is what killed it.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:51 PM
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singleshotbuff ........

The Green Machine has a terrible primer feed mechanism. It's a super jammer. However, almost everyone here has also found that it can be fixed by swapping the rotary primer feed with a simple primer feed tube.

The other problem the Green Machine has is an inconsistent bullet seating depth. That can be fixed with running a bolt through the upper casting, and using it as an adjustable stop for the die travel. Adjust it to remove the flex at the end of the stroke.

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Old 12-03-2009, 03:31 AM
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wrong green machine

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Oh, OK.

Thanx for the reply. The one I have seems to work so far, with the exception of the priming problem I mentioned.

SSB/QUOTE]

I am new at this site, however, I am not new at fiddling with RCBS Green Machines.

At last count I have 8 of them and tons of spare parts. Every reply you have received is right in one way or another. The units are NOT for the faint of heart and have tons of problems built into them. All or most problems can be overcome though.

Primer feed, big problem. Throw away the original and use any single stack aluminum tube. I use my Dillon primer pickup tubes with the plastic tip removed. Remove the old feed tray, install the aluminum tube but don't let it drag on the primer transfer bar. Also, don't over tighten the set screw and crush the aluminum tube.

Now dump you primers down the tube (hollow cup side up) and cycle a coule times with NO brass in the feed tubes. You should see the transfer bar come out, pickup a primer and then on the back stroke it will come up through the case transfer bar.

I use a 14 inch piece of small diameter brass rod to set on top of the primers (goes inside the aluminum feed tube) and helps make sure a primer is pushed down and into place. It will also lock the primer transfer bar in the open position when you run out of primers, thereby allerting you to a no primer situation.

Next, I found the press to be very flimsy. This is due to poor design. With the entire force being placed on the back of the presses vertical round bars the castiron die head has the tendenancy to tilt when it is at its lowest position of a cycle. This is very bad due to this location is the one that seats and crimps the bullet into the case.

I did not come up with a total fix but I did find the placing an allen headed cap screw at the right side of the of the front case retainer bar and adjusting it up and sort of loading the die head keeps things running fairly well.

If you are really interested in tons of fixes for the unit send me your real email and I will chat with you and send some photoes of my set up.

I even have a Dillon case feeder hooked to mine. On the other hand if you want a no nonsense, works right out of the box press that requires NO tinkering, just buy a low end Dillon.

HiStandard
I have the 38. model but i really need a 45 acp or 9 mm got enough spare parts to change mine over ,intrested in selling?

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Old 09-11-2010, 10:55 AM
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Smile RCBS Green Machine

I too picked up a RCBS Green Machine.
It appears to be in good shape, and it works just fine. I did read the forum, and can replace the primer tray with a primer tube.
It is set up for 45 APC, and I would like to change it over to 38 Special. I have 38 Special dies, but not the kind I need to take the powder dispenser/drop, and expander.
I also like the bullet-seater with the sliding top, to put the head into the die before it is seater I have the correct size Powder Measure cylinder, but would like to get the two 38 Special dies mentioned.
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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I have one in 45 apc. Never did load many on it. Now I use it to size cases. Works o-k for that. Sometimes it jams up but that is expected. At least there's
no powder to spill.
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Old 09-19-2010, 05:56 PM
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Ribbonstone,
Please tell us how you really feel about the Green Machine.
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:40 PM
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How did this 2002 post get revived?

Still feel the same way about that rancid bit of green monkey barf. If you stand in your reloading room and say "green machine" three times, all your primers go dead.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:35 PM
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Hi Ribbonstone.

I think the interest in the RCBS green machine was renewed because a few have come back in the market on auction sites like Ebay and others. This site was one of only a few that had shared links on information about the odd machine.

I recently bought one myself...probably just for the nostalgia of it. I have a few other reloading presses, much more reliable than this in-line machine, but I do remember the Green machine when they first came out, priced at a staggering $500.00 if I remember correctly.

Your reply was quite humerous, as well as others I had read, Most folks have long since used the Green Machine for "boat anchors" "Paper Weights", "Targets" or just plain conversation pieces when someone walked into your loading room.

I had purchased mine from Brian Leupold....yes..the "Scope People" Leupold..The Grandson of the Founder of Leupold Scope Co. And have already loaded many 38 spl rounds for my two revolvers. To offset the purchase Brian offered me a "Family Discount" on my next "Leupold Scope" purchase ...probably as a small consolation for the headaches I was about to endure.

I dunno..theres just something kool about the noises the thing makes while reloading...sorta .... Ka Klink Klunk Ting ching Klunk Klink clang...thats just sounds neat.

The press is in near new condition..and so far..its....well...different!

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Old 09-28-2010, 05:00 PM
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I have one in 45 ACP. Mine works great. I converted mine to a stick primer feed and replaced the Little Dandy powder meadure with a Lee disk measure, which fit perfectly. It will not drop powder unless there is a case underneath it, so no spilled powder. RCBS still has some spare parts yet, the last I have heard.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:04 PM
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Glad both of you are pleased. I just couldn't get mine to work for more than 10min. at a time. Not that i'm unschooled in progressives, could get an old Star to work fine, and a later Square Deal as well. Maybe mine was a lemon...but due to my personal experiences, will stand by my "chunk of green monkey puke" assessment.
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Old 10-19-2010, 01:32 PM
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Hi Fellas'

I see a green machine in 45 acp with the bids near 400.00 !!

The rare calibers are starting to go back up to original purchase price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RCBS-Green-Machi...item2c581bc92a



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Old 10-25-2010, 03:27 AM
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The 45 acp configurated Green machine sold for 450.00 plus shipping....

Something sure sparked an interest in the odd machine as of late. I recently called the fine folks at RCBS for a new Cartridge tube for mine....they sent me three [no charge]...I was told that parts are getting more scarce for the Green machine.

But as I have loaded with it, I have found if you pay close attention to the thing it'll churn out some nicely loaded ammo in a fairly short amount of time.

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Old 11-04-2010, 08:11 AM
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Working well

I must have loaded 300,000 rounds (at least) on my two Green Machines. They are fickle about the primers - I only use Federal No 100 SPP and they work fine (ish). I've kept the original primer feed system which was designed for safety.
But I agree - you do need to keep your wits about you when using it.
I will gladly give a free home to any unused Green Machines and spares - however I live in the UK so ship surface mail.
Changing calibre is OK but only for the same primer size - the .45 ACP will do .44 Mag & Spl, .45 Colt etc. However early Green machines in .38 used a thicker rail and I don't know if you could load rimless cases with it.

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