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Old 05-08-2005, 10:01 AM
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Hello. I have just bought a new 35 whelen and am about to get started loading for whitetail. Does anyone have any sugestions to the amount of grains of powder I should use?? A friend suggested I use IMR 4064 powder to fill the casing fuller. The book I have suggests 45 grains but it doesn't specify what game this load is for. I want to make sure this is the right load for Whitetails. Thanks.
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Old 05-08-2005, 11:12 AM
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I do not have my loads with me (it is Mother's day and I am at Mothers).. I have had ther BEST luck with 3031 powder in my 35 Whelen and 35-284. Most all the powders in this burn range will work fine. The 35 Whelen is a great round and loaded with something like the Sierra 225SPBT Game King it is NOT a short range rifle at all. I easily get 1 1/4" to 1 1/2 " groups at 200 yards with lots of punch left.
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Old 05-08-2005, 03:23 PM
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Hello, longemcn - and, Welcome to the board.

In your part of the country, the .35 Whelen will be a pretty stout cartridge.

Any of the 180 gr and up bullets with powders in the range of 3031, 4895, 4064 and such will work well in your rifle. 4320 and VV N135 also do a good job. The goal is to have a nice, moderate load that won't knock your hat off with muzzle blast at each shot and have the degree of accuracy you desire. This cartridge can be loaded pretty stiff, but don't quite think you'll find it necessary for Pa. whitetails.
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Old 05-08-2005, 06:35 PM
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I thought I would chime in one more time. Kdub is totally right, you will not need the high end loads for hunting in PA. The 225 gr Sierra in my 35-284 runs at 2700 fps+/- and it will shoot completly through an Elk from any direction, I know, done it. You will probably, as Kdub said, be better served with some of the middle of the road loads. I know PA. is a lot like where I now hunt in NY and shots are usually not all that long.
I did shoot one of the Arizona Coues deer with my 35 and it tore him up. I blew a CHUNK of his far side shoulder right off. Way too much damage and I now wish I had downloaded it a little.
All that said,, you will never be sorry with the 35 Whelen.
As far as the load you mentioned,, what bullet weight is it for? If it is a 200 gr. 45 gr. of 4064 you will be on the low end of the power range. One of my standard "light" loads for the 200gr is 49.5 which give me around 2300 fps +/-. If it is for a 250 gr, I get in the neighborhood of 2000 fps in my guns. These are about what you would get in a 358 Win which ain't bad at all. I doubt you will need a 250 gr slug for Whitetail, these are better for Elk size game They certainly will drop and Whitetail I have ever seen.
I have only loaded a few 180 gr bullets and I used between 53 and 55 gr of 4198 which got me as high as 2900 fps. Just check a couple of reloading books and see what is specified. Never trust anyones load data without checking them against a manual,, including my suggestions. My $ .02 worth and good shooting
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Old 05-09-2005, 07:46 AM
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I have taken a doe antelope (125 yds) and a Spike elk (70 yds.) with Federal Premium 225 gr. Trophy Bonded Bear Claw ammo (MV 2600 fps). That load performed perfectly in both cases. Have also taken a mountain lion with 250 gr. factory ammo (50 yds). Whitetails taken include a large doe shot through the neck at 25 yds. with Rem. 200 gr. factory ammo and a young-of-the-year shot through the shoulders with the Federal Premium load (see above) at about 75 yds.

When shots passed through the ribs, meat loss was minimal. When major bones such as spine or shoulder joint were hit, wounds were impressive. The only bullet I recovered was on the spike elk, just under the skin on the far side after angling through the near ribs, both lungs, and the junction of the diaphragm and chest wall.

Here is my pick for a whitetail load but I have not yet used it on game: Speer 220 gr. Flat Nose, 57.0 - 58.0 gr. Reloader 15, Rem. brass, CCI 200 primers.

100 yd., 3-shot groups in my Rem. Mdl. 700 Classic with Weaver K2.5 consistently run from 1.25" to just under 2.0". Range records show 200 yd. groups running around 4.25" from military-type sitting position (no bench).

Any middle-of-the-road load from one of the major loading manuals using 200 gr. Rem. CoreLokt, pointed or RN, should work great. As others have said, I would look for modest MV with acceptable accuracy for a load to use in PA.

Let us know what you come up with.
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Old 05-09-2005, 08:48 AM
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I was talking to a few guys in a pro shop and they recommend shooting 250 grain projectiles. They say the slower speed of the bullet will cause less damage in a whitetail at the lower loads. Not sure if that is true. I am going to try. Looks like according to the book I can get down to about 2100FT/S which should be perfect. I will not be shooting over 100 yards so the loss of speed will be no problem and it will not extemely damage but get the job done. Anyone agree or are they blowing smoke up my butt??
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Old 05-09-2005, 05:29 PM
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Hello. I have just bought a new 35 whelen and am about to get started loading for whitetail. Does anyone have any sugestions to the amount of grains of powder I should use?? A friend suggested I use IMR 4064 powder to fill the casing fuller. The book I have suggests 45 grains but it doesn't specify what game this load is for. I want to make sure this is the right load for Whitetails. Thanks.

Although what you've been told may be fine, I would go another way. I've learned to stay away from the heavier bullets at low velocities. They sometimes don't open well. But I've never shot a deer with a 250 gr.

I load my 35 Whelen with 225 grain Nosler Partitions and save it for bear and elk. I have 250 grain loads in case I ever use it for moose. I keep it sighted for the 225s because I decided that its too much for deer and don't use it for them anymore. I killed two 140 pound (dressed) does with a 200 grain Barnes X-bullet at 2500 fps. One through the ribs, which dropped at the shot and turned out fine. One through the neck as it looked at me from behind a tree. I clipped the spinal columb and the head was just hanging by some skin and meat. I almost blew it off! I also shot a 225 pound buck through both shoulders and destroyed most of the meat in the front half. If you REALLY LIKE TO BOMB THEM, this is the load for you. But, I found it a bit too much.

I killed one doe with a 200 grain Hornady round nose soft point at 2250 fps with 51 grains of H4895, which worked really well. It was a lung shot, complete pass-through, and a big exit wound. That is the type of load I would recommend. It recoils lightly and is pleasant to shoot. The Hornady 200 grain has a "fat" nose with lots of exposed lead and opens up well at slow speeds. The Hornady 250 has a more streamlined nose with less exposed lead and I suspect the jacket may be tougher.

Ken Waters, in "Update of an Old Standard: 35 Whelen" (In Handloader 195) liked 200 grain Sierra round-nose bullets over 52 to 54 grains of IMR 3031 for a "light deer load." MV was from 2450 to 2540 fps. That sound about like a 356 Winchester, which is a pretty good big game cartridge.

With 4064, I only have starting load data for the Nosler 180 grain and 225 grain, but one can interpolate if using starting loads. The 180 grain load from my Nosler manual uses from 52 to 56 grains for 2500 to 2660 fps. With the 225 grain bullet it uses from 50 to 54 grains for 2300 to 2450 fps. Interpolating, one could try 51 grains of IMR 4064 with the 200 grain round-nose bullet and probably get about 2400 fps. 51 grains would likely fill the case to 83% capacity, which should be safe. I'm reluctant to suggest using less powder than 51 grains and interpolating loading data is not always wise, so experiment at your own risk.

If you do use those 250 grain loads, please let us know how it turned out. Good luck!

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Old 05-10-2005, 06:18 AM
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I think from what I have read that the 200 grain is the best bet as well. I am not looking for a lot of damage just want the job done. I hunt for the meat. I have been hunting with a 35 Marlin with 200 grain round nose for the past few years. I hated that it was a lever action and wanted a bolt. The Whelen is the only 35 caliper that is offered. Anyway, I was looking at a load book yesterday and it showed what animal each load was for. It showed whitetail at 180 or 200 grains. IMR 3031 was around 54 for middle of the road. That is what I will try first I think. Going to start loading and shooting in a few weeks. I'll let you know how it goes.
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You think like I do. If I was looking to upgrade from 35 Rem (I have one of those, too) performance, I would do just that. Handload to get about 300fps more MV than the 35 Rem. gets. That will be safe in your bolt action and still not so high in velocity to turn the 200 gr. RN bullet into a bomb.

I still encourage you to try the 220 gr. Speer at moderate velocity. For some reason I just like that bullet. My understanding is that it is designed for just the purpose you have in mind. 35Remington has told us on this forum how he loads that bullet above spec in his Marlins. I don't argue with what he does, at all. Using a Whelen to get a hefty MV increase with that bullet is much more to my taste than doing it in my Marlin.

You should have fun with this loading project. I know I am.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:50 PM
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My fovorite 35 Whelen load

Istarted with4064 and 225 sierras but couldn't get them to run in my 700BDL. I was messing around one day and put 60 grains of 4350 behind a 250 grain Hornady round nose and shot some clover leafs at 100 yds. I've since switched to 250 Hornady spire points and went up to 60.5 grains of H4350. Hodgons doesn't list 4350 for a 35 whelen in their data but most everyone else does. I can shoot under 1" groups at 100 Yds with this load. It's not very fast, about 2400 fps. but it hits exactly where I want it. That load has accounted for at least 10 elk here in CO and in MT. Good luck
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