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Old 09-08-2005, 06:16 PM
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OK guys,

You have convinced me too get a case trimmer. I was wondering, what is the best one for the money? Keep in mind that I am a poor college student, and have pretty much none of it. I see that the lee is pretty much the cheapest, but is the quality/durability there? I have also heard the lyman basic models are also very good. Any help would be great!

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Old 09-08-2005, 06:48 PM
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I don't know which is best. I've being trying to wear out this Forster for 35 years so I can try another brand, but it just keeps going and going and going. It will outlast me at this rate.

Advantages: Completely adjustable, so if you want to trim a batch .005" or .015" instead of the standard .010", you can.
A foolproof collet that gets the depth of cut right every time. 4 collets do most availabe cartridges.
Accessories like a neck turner, hollow pointer and inside reamer.

Disadvantage: A bit fussy to set up for a case of a different length.

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Old 09-08-2005, 07:12 PM
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Agree with Jack.

My Forster is a few years older than his. Just recently bought a new cutter head shaft for it, but haven't put it on yet.

Use the Lee hand trimmer for the Russian 7.62x54R cases, as the rim is too big for any of the collets of the Forster. It does a good job, but is sorta slow compared to the Forster. When I want faster trims, will chuck the Lee up in the drill press and do mass production.
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:14 PM
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Vanbuzen9: I went through several, Lee among them, until I settled on the Wilson case trimmer. I use it because it is the most consistant and exact of any I have used. As for durrability, it's just a chunk of precision-machined steel. It will never break. You might have to replace a cutter eventually. --Mykal
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Old 09-08-2005, 10:17 PM
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Probably the Lee is the best for the money, the forster and Wilson are both cadalics and fairly pricy for a starving student. I use one of the battery powered drills with my Lee case trimmer, speeds things up a bunch.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:30 AM
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Probably the Lee is the best for the money, the forster and Wilson are both cadalics and fairly pricy for a starving student. I use one of the battery powered drills with my Lee case trimmer, speeds things up a bunch.
I offer another vote for the Lee Case Trimmers. They are so simple, I don't understand why other manufactuters haven't picked up on something similar. Each trimmer set has a built in case lenght gauge (Can't overtrim) and only cost ya $4-$5 per cartridge. Collets for other manufacturers will cost you at least that much!! If you ever need another trimmer head it only cost ya a few dollars. Also, you don't need a table to mount them to if you don't have the space.
Lee definately gets my vote on this issue.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:50 AM
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I've gotten incredibly lazy when it comes to trimming cases; chuck the cutter/pilot of the Lee case trimmer in a drill press, and I can sure go through some cases in a hurry.
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Old 09-12-2005, 12:25 PM
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Life's too short to trim cases, unless they're expensive or formed from something else - even with a Forster trimmer. I've trimmed them all in the past, but now I only do my Lapua. Have I mentione I don't like trimming?

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Old 09-12-2005, 07:05 PM
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The OverAll Length is supposed to be trimmed to just that - the OverAll dimension from the base of the case all the way out to the neck.

On the Lee trimmer, the length is determined by the length of the spindle, off the inside of the case web over the primer pocket. Variations on web thickness or base thickness, or burrs in the flash hole will cause variation in OAL.

Old RCBS, Hornady & Forster all use collets, which draw into a tapered hole. Variations in rim diameter or in collet tignhtness will cause variation on how far into the taper the collet will be drawn, and therefore variations in OAL.

New RCBS trimmers draw on the front face of the rim, so variations in rim thickness cause variations in OAL.

Wilson trimmers require an individual holder for each caliber. Once in place, the case's base is held against a locked stop. It trims to an exact OAL - extremely accurate & repeatable. The caseholder is held in place with one's thumb while the cutter is cranked with the other hand. This repetitive holding force wrecked my thumb joint, and now I need an operation to fix it.

The Lyman has a universal caseholder that pulls the case solidly against the case base, like the Wilson, but locks it mechanically, not with thumb force. It isn't subject to variation due to any case dimension tolerances. So, that's what I bought to replace my Wilson.
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Old 09-12-2005, 07:46 PM
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["On the Lee trimmer, the length is determined by the length of the spindle, off the inside of the case web over the primer pocket. Variations on web thickness or base thickness, or burrs in the flash hole will cause variation in OAL."]

The Lee case trimmer pilot pin runs through the flash hole to the face of the case holder base. The same face/base the case is resting on in the holder.

The trimmer pilot does not/should not rest on the inside bottom of the case. Case length will be trimmed to the length of the pilot including the pin length and will be uniform from case to case because the pilot pin contacts or indexes off of the same surface as the case is sitting on in the shellholder base.

Instead of a stop collar on a standard lathe trimmer, the pin on the Lee trimmer pilot performs the same function and stops the cutting action when it contacts the shellholder base surface.

Very simple, accurate and quick unit to use.

I have both types of trimmers but find I use the Lee unit the most. They both have their place.

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Old 09-13-2005, 06:17 PM
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Thanx for setting me straight on the Lee!
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Old 09-13-2005, 06:25 PM
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I've got a nice trimmer sitting in my loading room, and a Lee for all the cals I use.
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Old 09-18-2005, 03:34 PM
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I have found that most bottle neck case's do not need to be trimed, that is unless the magazine is a problem for feeding. If you measured the throat to get the the bullet just off the lands, those light bullets would not seat in trimed to spec dimensions case properly. This was a sad revolation to me, as I was going to use 100,120grn bullets in my 7mm mag for yote shooting. If I do its got to take a jump.
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Old 09-18-2005, 04:17 PM
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Jim -

The problem isn't with cases being too long to feed from the magazine, it's the excessive long necks that will protrude into the chamber neck and cause a tight neck between chamber wall and bullet. This in turn will cause more resistance to the bullet release and build higher pressures.

Chamber lengths can vary, and some will accept longer than recommended trim length cases. Unless you've measured your chamber neck, best to trim all cases when reaching maximum length.

Even when fireformed to a specific chamber, bottleneck cases will still have brass flow to the necks, making them longer and thicker. The flow isn't in an even event - it tends to flow on one side of the neck more so than the other, leaving one side thicker and longer.
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Old 09-18-2005, 04:41 PM
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"New RCBS trimmers draw on the front face of the rim, so variations in rim thickness cause variations in OAL."

I don't really see where this is accurate as the case is being pulled against a piece of solid flat steel that is the fixed point facing the cutter shaft and the case head is firmly against it. In this arrangement rim thickness will have no bearing whatsoever on case OAL as the rim is part of the OAL on any cartridge case. Additionally, I've been using a TrimPro since they came out with the power version and have not observed any problems like the one mentioned. That said it is a somewhat expensive trimmer when you take into account that you need as many different case holders as you have shell holders for your reloading press. I use the power unit and it works well but sounds as though it is not in your price range at present. The spring loaded case holder makes changing cases a snap and set up and length change are a piece of cake. The markings on the threaded lock collar make easy, repeatable adjustment reference points.

I haven't used the Lee trimmer but if it is as inexpensive as it is and it works, which many attest to, it's probably the unit for you.
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Old 10-11-2005, 09:19 PM
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Another vote for the LEE timmer with the case length guage for whatever caliber your using,fast,cuts to same length every time.For the money they cant be beat.
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