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Old 12-27-2006, 04:01 PM
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I know there are several members here that shoot the .218 Bee. Rocky Raab has a nice article on his site. Ranch Dog cusses his.. Big Medicine had promising early results and high hopes the last I heard. William Iorg, well, I think he has at least one of everything.

My question; is it necessary or "better" to expand the neck in a seperate operation with this case? Depending on the make you can get a regular two die set or a set with an expander die.
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Old 12-27-2006, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KenK
William Iorg, well, I think he has at least one of everything..
My wife loved that! She says I just WANT everything!

ENGLANDER and I both use Lee dies for our Marlins with good results. I also have a Lyman 310 tool that is old enough to be marked ".218 Bee" and use the neck expander some when neck size only.

I have used the Lyman M die for both jacketed and cast bulets in the Bee with good results. Following some advice given by Dave Scovill I chronograped and accuracy tested loads using the M Die and the regular Lee neck expander ball and found velocities more uniform and accuracy may have been a little better with the expander ball used in the full length sizer die - with jacketed bullets.

Dave wrote in his letters and the "tests" seem to bear him out, that a good case mouth chamfer used with an expander ball that has a good polish is the best answer.
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Old 12-27-2006, 04:32 PM
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. . . My question; is it necessary or "better" to expand the neck in a seperate operation with this case? Depending on the make you can get a regular two die set or a set with an expander die.
It is usually the case that when an expanding die is separate it is only for the purpose of flaring the case mouth to load cast bullets without shearing. Obviously, the sizing die cannot be made to size it, expand it, and flare it. The expander inside the sizing die is actually thought to be best not only in that die, but still better if it can actually be up close to the shoulder so it begins expansion before the mouth of the case is completely withdrawn from the neck portion of the die. This ensures centered starting alignment of the expander so it is not free to pull the expansion off-axis toward the thinnest side of the case neck, if it isn't perfectly uniform.

Anyway, if I understand correctly, the distinction is between a neck expander (in sizing die) and a mouth expander, which must be a separate operation, and not needed in all instances.
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Old 12-27-2006, 05:59 PM
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I don't cuss my 218 Bee anymore... It's finally falling in line with the rest of my Marlins. Proof that if you threaten something with enough dire consequences it will shape up!

I just use the Lee die set. My problem was centered on the trigger of the '94 and just finding the right powder and charge.

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Old 12-29-2006, 02:19 PM
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I guess I was confusing myself because the Lee 32-20 dies don't have an expander ball on the depriming rod. Looking at my Lee catalog I see that the 218 dies do so.
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Old 12-31-2006, 07:07 PM
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I've gotten to where I expand almost everything with an M die seperately, 218 included.I use the first step that takes the case slightly over bullet diameter about .030 to .050 deep. I like being able to start bullets by hand and I think it gets them started more centered.I also think I get less case stretch using the M die as you're expanding pushing down on the case instead of dragging an expander ball back out. I also found my 218 grouped much better when I used a Lee Factory crimp die to crimp them a little and that's with a Rem. 45grHP that doesn't have a cannelure. AA 1680 is the only powder I use in the 218 Bee, 25-20 and my brothers Hornet.
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