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Old 01-09-2008, 11:21 AM
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I recently contacted Hodgdon for a recommended replacement for heavy handgun loads in 45 acp+PP and 45 Super for HS7. The closest replacement that might be applicable was Longshot. I would like to develop some 45 acp +P+P loads and also 45 super in 185 and 200 grain JHP bullets.Has there been load development for these calibres using Longshot?
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Old 01-09-2008, 12:00 PM
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For the 45 I have the following loads, but I don't have any for the 45 Super.

My manual shows for a 185 grain bullet V-N340 and a top velocity load with a starting load of 7.2 grains and an ending load of 7.8 grains for a top velocity of 1100 fps.

Accur #7, Win 573 with Unique and Power Pistol following in that order. For the 200 grain bullets I see V-N350, V-N340, Blue Dot and Unique as good High velocity powders.

These loads are from the Second Edition of Modern Reloading. I'd work up from the bottom load in .1 grain increments. I shoot plus P loads in my 38 snubby because they are comfortable and controllable. If you make your loads super hot they are really hard on a handgun and really not any more effective than loads that are easier to shoot. If you carry this gun as a self defense weapon I'd use a good factory self defense load such as Speer's Gold dot, (one of the best), simply because if you ever have to use this weapon for self defense you may end up in court and explaining those special killer reloads is not something you want to do even if it seems silly.

I reload and shoot my little 38 and my other handguns a bunch, but my carry ammo is factory Speer gold dots and I shoot them enough to know I'm competent with them.
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Old 01-09-2008, 04:36 PM
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A friend of mine and I where playing around with loads for the 45acp and Longshot about a year ago. He was wanting a universal powder to use for heavy shotgun loads and his 45, and chose Longshot to fill the bill. He liked it, but I didnt, and I'll tell you why.
First a max load of 6.7g of LS with a 230g Golddot produced about 790fps with pretty hard recoil. We reduced this to 6.4gr and actually increased the velocity to around 810fps, felt recoil was still rather stiff. Very clean loads, little or no fouling and the spent cases where clean. (we only chronographed the loads, and didnt check groups at this time)
Here's why I dont like LS, with 4.7 of Tightgroup and the same bullet, I get the same velocity, clean cases, and no fouling, but a noticable decrease in felt recoil.
Now I'm not one to shy away from recoil, but if I can get the same performance with a milder recoil, plus less powder.....I'm no fool.
By the way, the pistol I use is a stock Springfield full size 1911.
I'm not sure how and why the different loads could produce the same velocity, but have a such a noticable difference in recoil, but I bet you someone else on this forum may have the answer......just a shot in the dark, higher energy powder???
Hope this helps, and good luck.

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Old 01-09-2008, 04:42 PM
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I don't shoot a 45, but sure like tightgroup in my 38 special.
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Old 01-09-2008, 04:55 PM
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Bob, that Tightgroup was definately my favorite in the 45 until someone gave me a 4lb jug of Clays.....now Clays will have to be my favorite for the next several thousand rounds!!! (many, many smiley faces)
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Old 01-09-2008, 05:07 PM
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JR I like the Clays also, it's a dandy powder for pistol and revolver loads.
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ToBob from IdahoThanks for the info . Iam using a Dan Wesson Pointman 7 converted to 45 Super. The main purpose of this gun is an emergency back up as a black bear gun when I am in the back country fishing
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I really like Titegroup in my .45 ACP and 12 gauge loads.
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