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Old 03-03-2008, 12:39 PM
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Hello Everybody, I am a couple of years new into revolvers and reloading them . I have a ruger bisley in 45 colt and a freedom arms 83 with a 454 and 45 colt cylinder. I was woundering if any one has used any of the loads that came out in the handloader magazine last April-May issue. I like to use 2400 and they had 45 colt load data listed for 32,000 cup.
The loads were 19. , 20. , and 21. grains of 2400 . I started to look at my differant
loading books I have many and the new speer manual and I can not find any thing close to the loads they are listing in handloader magazine. Any imput would be Most Welcome.
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Speer makes it clear in their .45 Colt section that they do not regard .45 Colt brass to be as strong as .44 Mag. brass. Thus, their "Ruger only" loads stop at a pressure level about halfway between normal .45 Colt and .44 Magnum. Others disagree, Lyman included. I have no idea who's right. My .45 handgun is a Colt clone, my .45 rifle is a Rossi Trapper carbine. I don't want to blow up my handgun, so I stick to normal loads for it. I don't want to hamburgerize my shoulder, so I stick to Speer loads in the carbine.
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Old 03-03-2008, 02:16 PM
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Well, both your Bisley and your Freedom Arms will withstand more than your wrist will. So work up to those loads if you choose to. I don't, but I learned long ago that even Colt-level loads will handle any critter I might come up against. The higher numbers might be attractive in the abstract, but in real life, a 250-gr flat-nosed bullet at 1000 fps is astonishingly effective.
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Even with the 44 mag and heavy bullets I kept loads to the 1250 and 1350 fps mark and killed a lot of big game with it. I've never understood the need to push the 45 Colt to magnum levels, like Rocky says it kills quite well with 1000 fps loads and is so much easier to shoot. You can load a Ruger up to those levels, but the only thing your really gaining is the wow factor and nothing more.
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the hornady manual shows 2400 up to around 21 or so gr
with their xtp.
i am going to work some 250 lead up with 2400 in my 92
and probb some 240's in the 44 model 92.also
i think 2400 is probably the best compromise for pressure and speed in the 45.
i have been able to hit 12-1300 easily with other powders.
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Old 03-03-2008, 05:06 PM
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Thanks everyone for the input. I had loaded up 6 of them with 19. gr and then I just could not bring myself to shoot untill I had some more info. Will the handloader magazine normaly put out info that might be a little risky ? Can I pull them and still use the bullets ?
If anyone has a load that uses this bullet 270-SAA and this powder combo 2400 ,I would like to find something around 1100 fps but under 1200 fps. That is why this artical iterested me so. Thanks again
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I think you'll be right in your target velocity ballpark with that load, maybe a shade high. It should be stout to shoot, but not overly punishing, and if it gives you good accuracy in your gun it'll be a good hunting load, for sure.
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:34 AM
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Barring the possible typo, you can trust data from "Handloader" but if you want to cross-check some monster loads, please go to my friend John Taffin's website:

http://www.sixguns.com/
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. . . Can I pull them and still use the bullets ? . . .
I have done this several times and reused the bullets, both lead and jacketed without any noticeable difference in performance. If you do this would suggest you resize and expand the case again so that it will grip the bullet with the same amount of tension as before.
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Speer makes it clear in their .45 Colt section that they do not regard .45 Colt brass to be as strong as .44 Mag. brass. . . Others disagree, Lyman included. I have no idea who's right. . .
Possibly Speer is concerned about the old balloon headed cases still being around so they will only go so far with their loads for SA Colts and clones. As for the later solid head cases, according to John Taffin's, "Big Bore Sixguns" page 37, "As mentioned, all of Dick Casull's work developing the .454 was done with standard .45 Colt brass." IMO, that says a lot about the strength of .45 Colt brass not that I ever expect to load up anything close to the .454 Casull.

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Old 03-05-2008, 04:56 PM
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Here's what I've settled on so far for my hunting load:

WW cases, CCI 300, 265WFNGC OR 250JHP (my data for these two bullets is quite close)
19.5 Gr. 2400 gives me just under 1200 fps in my 6 inch barrelled Blackhawk. Same load is good for close to 1500fps in my Marlin.

This is the most accurate in the range of weights I tested (18-21.5 with the JHP, 18-20 with the WFN).

They are not unpleasant to shoot, but I don't go plinking with them either. Out of the Marlin, they are very mild.

The lead bullets provide ludicrous penetration, it's lovely to behold.

Do you have a chrony? If not you should get one.
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I have a 15" Encore 454casull pistol barrel & a 20" Encore 460mag Bullberry rifle barrel so I've been loading 45lc brass to beginning 454 casull levels w/o any problems.For my 45lc Ruger 4 5/8" BH with Hogue Rubber Grips I use load data from Sierra,Nosler,Hodgdon,Hornaday Reloading Manuals & I keep the loads in the comfortable range.
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probably 90% of the loads i have seen in handloader i have found
at a later date in a manual or phamplet....
but you still may get a typo or his gun is just different....or maybe his lot of powder is
just enough slower....

use a little sense, go up slowly, with handguns i have had a pretty hard time seeing
pressure problems [ you know the drill, shoot 6 dump them out, look at cases in your hand
make a comment and put in 6 more]
not the way to go.....
and if i had to bet on it a lot of guys don't even think about it like they would a rifle
unless they see a split case or really flat primer.........
CAUSE THE BOOK SAYS..
books are guidelines not absolute gospel..... but they are the best we have
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That's why a chrony is key.
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