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Old 10-16-2003, 11:38 AM
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.32 H&R Mag loads needed


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I'm interested in getting folks' .32 H&R Mag loads.

Most specifically, I currently have need of a load for Accurate #5 powder using a 71 gr. FMJ bullet. I don't have a listing for this load. The closest I have is a 85 gr. JHP with a start of 4.3 gr. AA #5.

This is going to be shot out of a S&W J frame 342, 2" tube, titanium cylinder. Looking to make some smooth, cheap practice loads and save my Georgia Arms stuff for more serious work and it's associated practice.

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Old 10-16-2003, 12:05 PM
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Hi, you should not go wrong using the load data for the heavier 85gr. bullet with the lighter 71gr. bullet. Just be sure to check the barrel every shot while working up loads to make sure one didn't stick!

Also, the very best thing to do would be to contact Accurate:

http://www.accuratearms.com/askatech.htm
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Old 10-27-2003, 07:13 AM
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.32 H&R Mag loads

I've never had satisfactory results with No. 5 as it seems inconsistent from batch to batch and velocity uniformity is poor. Any of the loads listed with Bullseye, 231, HP38, PB, SR7625, 700X or Red Dot should work well in a 2" barrel. The best source of load data is the Speer No. 13 manual, as they list a variety of loads.

I would stay away from the slower powders. I get very good results both in terms of accuracy and expansion using the 85-gr. Hornady XTP in Federal cases and the Federal 200 primer with 4.5 grs. of 231. This approximates the performance of factory Federal .32 HRM ammo and shoots to the same sight settings in both my S&W revolver and Ruger.

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I'm interested in getting folks' .32 H&R Mag loads.

Most specifically, I currently have need of a load for Accurate #5 powder using a 71 gr. FMJ bullet. I don't have a listing for this load. The closest I have is a 85 gr. JHP with a start of 4.3 gr. AA #5.

This is going to be shot out of a S&W J frame 342, 2" tube, titanium cylinder. Looking to make some smooth, cheap practice loads and save my Georgia Arms stuff for more serious work and it's associated practice.

Thanks!
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Old 10-29-2003, 06:25 AM
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The litterature has lots of H110 and Unique loads, but I have had the best results with a 76 gr cast bullet and 8 gr IMR800X or 14 gr LIL'GUN.

Work up with small increments like .1 gr, as the tiny cartridge went from not burning right and wimpy to hot with hot pressure sign with H110 in a change of less than .5 gr.

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Old 10-29-2003, 04:45 PM
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The late Skeeter Skelton had a load that surpassed 1600 fps using Accurate Arms #7. I use this in my scoped Ruger Super Single Six along with an 85 gr Hornady XTP. It's death on groundhogs. It might be a bit much for that little Smith.
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Old 10-30-2003, 03:39 AM
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Loader brings up an interesting point. there are at least two levels of firearm strength for the .32 H&R Magnum (probably three). The light J frame Smith's and in particular the aluminum frame Centenial will not accept some of the warm loads that are so popular in the larger guns. My Centenial and 4" Kit Gun will max out at between 9.6 and 9.8 grains of H110 with a 100 grain bullet. Using 9.5 grains of H110 gives good accuracy and reliable extraction. My K-frame smith will accept 10.0 grains of H110 with the same NEI bullet and the cases fall out of the cylinder. It also gives its best accuracy with this load.
This reminds me of a question for Ed Harris. Do you know Elis Lea? He was on the American Rifleman Staff I think. He and Vernon McGee shaped a lot of my thinking about small game rifles. Both had rifles chambered for .32 S&W Long for small game shooting. Lea's was a Remington 788 and McGee's was a Ruger No. 1. The articles on these rifles really got my attention.
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Old 10-30-2003, 06:07 AM
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LTC Ellis Lea, USA (Ret.)

Yes, I knew Col. Lea very well and it was he who taught me modern DA precision technique with the revolver. I've been sold on wheelguns ever since. A bunch of friends and I practice on a 12" steel gong at 200 yards.

I'm having a .32 S&W Long garden rifle made by John Taylor of Taylor Machine, making a new 26" flyweight barrel for a pre-war H&R single-barrel .410 shotgun built on the tiny rook rifle sized receiver. Idea of the long barrel is to make it so very veerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry quiet so as not to scare the bunny wabbits!

Of course, the rifle also permits heavier Ruger-style loads than you would shoot in a tiny .32 S&WL revolver. I use a charge of 7 grs. of #2400 with the 90-gr. Saeco #325 miniature Keith semi-wadcutter in my 4-5/8 Ruger Single Six and it gives full .32 H&R Mag. ballistics in the Smith & Wesson Long case, at about 1060 f.p.s. A charge of 4.0 grs. of W-W231 with the Federal 200 primer and Hornady 85-gr. XTP gives about 1030 f.p.s. from my 4" S&W Model 31 and is very accurate. I use that load only sparingly, as it tested about 24,000 c.u.p. and way over SAAMI for the .32 S&W Long, but approximates .32 H&R Mag pressure in the smaller case. DO NOT use this load in anything but modern Smiths, postwar Colt Police Positive Special, or any of the Rugers.

For a milder load for my S&W Model 31 for routine and frequent use, which gives better peformance than factory loads, I use the Saeco #325 with 2.5 grs. of Alliant Bullseye for about 850 f.p.s. in a 4" barrel. Very pleasant and accurate, though it is slightly above published data, so use at your own risk.

The data on factory loads and various handloads from my notes are all in Remington .32 S&W Long cases with WSP primers and tested in my S&W Model 31 with 4" barrel and 0.006" cylinder gap:

Aguila 98-gr. LRN 749, 11 Sd
Federal 100-gr. LWC 757, 27 Sd
Magtech 98-gr. LRN 681, 18 Sd
PMC 98-gr. LRN 738, 17 Sd
PMC 98-gr. LWC 585, 12 Sd
Remington 98-gr. LRN 716, 43 Sd
Sellier & Bellot 98 LWC 672, 34 Sd
Saeco #325 88-gr. SWC, 3.0 PB 859, 17 Sd
Saeco #325 2.5 Alliant Bullseye 851, 20 Sd
Saeco #325 3.0 W231 840, 23 Sd
85 Hornady XTP, 4.0 W231 1055, 34 Sd

.38 Spl. factory wadcutters in my 24" Cowboy II are also fairly quiet, but with the smaller powder charge volume and greater expansion ratio of the .32 barrel, it shouldn't be any louder than firing Eley Tenex from a long-barreled .22 match rifle, but a 100-gr. bullet at 950-1000 f.p.s. has much more whollop.

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This reminds me of a question for Ed Harris. Do you know Elis Lea? He was on the American Rifleman Staff I think. He and Vernon McGee shaped a lot of my thinking about small game rifles. Both had rifles chambered for .32 S&W Long for small game shooting. Lea's was a Remington 788 and McGee's was a Ruger No. 1. The articles on these rifles really got my attention.
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Last edited by Ed Harris; 10-31-2003 at 03:41 PM. Reason: Added more load data and chrono data for factory loads from my notebook.
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:17 AM
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We have similar thoughts for our garden guns. My .32 Magnum rifle is a 24" bull barrel from TC's Fox Ridge Shop. I wanted the heavier barrel to add weight out forward. I have been very happy with this rifle. It may be the ultimate turkey gun - which is a very debateable statement.
What bore diameter did you choose? I have found the .308 bore to be aceptable but I have a large throat or "ball seat". I must fit my cast bullets to this to prevent leading. The Lyman 311008 from an older mold is a good bullet for this rifle.
My father shoots a 24" .300 Whisper. We have "discussions" over who has the better solution....
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:41 AM
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.32 SWL Garden Rifle and 7.62x39

My barrel is a standard Hart .308, 14" twist. Same as on my 7.62x39 boltgun.

Throat in both guns is a .311" diameter forcing cone opening ahead of chamber with 2 degree included angle forcing cone, no cylindrial ball seat.

Works very well with either lead or jacketed and is very forgiving of reasonable bullet jump.

The 7.62x39 in a 26" barrel boltgun is "almost" silent with a 150-gr. cast bullet and 4.5 grs. of Bullseye. I don't recommend trying to load jacketed bullets subsonic in rifles longer than 18" as you may stick a projectile in the bore.

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We have similar thoughts for our garden guns. My .32 Magnum rifle is a 24" bull barrel from TC's Fox Ridge Shop. I wanted the heavier barrel to add weight out forward. I have been very happy with this rifle. It may be the ultimate turkey gun - which is a very debateable statement.
What bore diameter did you choose? I have found the .308 bore to be aceptable but I have a large throat or "ball seat". I must fit my cast bullets to this to prevent leading. The Lyman 311008 from an older mold is a good bullet for this rifle.
My father shoots a 24" .300 Whisper. We have "discussions" over who has the better solution....
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Old 12-27-2003, 03:07 PM
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.32 S&W rifle

You really did not need that long barrel. You will need to keep velocities subsonic to keep the gun quiet. Just use small charges of fast burning pistol/shotgun powders.

I have an H&R barrel rebored to .32 H&R Mag.

One of my favorite quiet small game loads is is .360 round ball in a .357 case over 4-5 grains of Red Dot. Red Dot because that is what I had the most of. I use a pencil [eraser end] or dowel to seat the ball on top of the powder. SDounds like air rifle and kills small game [mostly jackrabbits, squrrels. a few skunks] well out to 40-50+ yards without a lot of damaged meat.
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Old 01-29-2004, 12:12 PM
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.32 H&R Mag

I've been shooting 94 gr. Meister RNFP's over 4.0 gr Unique in my Ruger Single Six but recently my gunsmith, who shoots a lot of Cowboy comps, suggested I go to the 118 gr. Bear Valley FP for better accuracy. This is a moly coated cast bullet so it doesn't smoke up the range like wax lubed cast bullets. The one problem is that he doesn't know what loads his fellow shooters are using on this one. Anyone have suggestions for this heavy a bullet in the Ruger. The powders I have on hand right now are 2400, Unique, Bullseye, Red Dot, HP-38 and Universal.
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Question 32 H&R Mag Rifle

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My barrel is a standard Hart .308, 14" twist. Same as on my 7.62x39 boltgun.

Throat in both guns is a .311" diameter forcing cone opening ahead of chamber with 2 degree included angle forcing cone, no cylindrial ball seat.

Works very well with either lead or jacketed and is very forgiving of reasonable bullet jump.

The 7.62x39 in a 26" barrel boltgun is "almost" silent with a 150-gr. cast bullet and 4.5 grs. of Bullseye. I don't recommend trying to load jacketed bullets subsonic in rifles longer than 18" as you may stick a projectile in the bore.
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I am a new member to this forum and found this message through a seach. I too, am interested in a 32 H&R cal rifle. I planned to find a barrel and fit it into a H&R shotgun action the same as you did. The problem I was having was 1) finding a barrel, and 2) finding someone to chamber it.
Can I get more infor on how you did yours? Can you point me to where I can get more info on Taylor Mcahine? I would like to persue this.
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I'm interested in getting folks' .32 H&R Mag loads.

Most specifically, I currently have need of a load for Accurate #5 powder using a 71 gr. FMJ bullet. I don't have a listing for this load. The closest I have is a 85 gr. JHP with a start of 4.3 gr. AA #5.

This is going to be shot out of a S&W J frame 342, 2" tube, titanium cylinder. Looking to make some smooth, cheap practice loads and save my Georgia Arms stuff for more serious work and it's associated practice.

Thanks!
I have a Ruger Single Six and a Ruger SP101 in this very fine cartridge.My Accurate Arms loading manual does not have anything on the 71 gr bullet. I load the Meister bullet which is a 115 gr LRNFP with 5.0 gr AA#5 for a measured 950 fps. AA#5 may be a bit of a slow powder for a 2 inch barrel, you may want to try a faster powder.When my reloads run out I am going to work something up with Hodgdens Titegroup which has become my favorite for several calibers.This will take a while because I have about 400 loaded up.JoeyT
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Ed Harris has witten a little more on his "Silent But Deadly" loads for the GOW. Pt. II interests me as it is about his .32 S&W Long rifle.

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/gunwriters.html
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I recently started using Titegroup, 3.5 gr under a 96 gr Redline LRNFP in Starline brass. It's very clean and accurate in my Ruger Single Six. I don't have access to a chrony but it should be shooting somewhere in the vicinity of 1000 fps. It seems the higher the velocity the more accuracy I get with that bullet. I also use 2400 with this bullet. I started with 5.5 gr, using mag primers, and found a lot of unburned powder in the fired case. I have now gone up to 7.7 gr and there is much less unburned powder and much better accuracy than with 5.5 gr.
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