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Old 03-12-2011, 06:38 AM
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I have equipment and dies and all, my ? is : A friend gave me a coffee can full of .45 brass. I think there is just about every brand imaginable. I just shoot paper and am just learning the gun. Are the different brands of brass going to be a problem?
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Old 03-12-2011, 07:23 AM
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.45 ACP mixed brass is not a problem for reduced power paper punching loads. The best match guns usually shoot around 4 MOA with cast lead bullets, and that's just too big an intrinsic precision limit to be sensitive to the effects of a brass difference except with near maximum loads.

Take a magnet to remove any steel Wolf cases, as they are pretty hard on your sizing die. Check the primers to set aside (if you're going to load them separately) or toss out any with small primer pockets instead of the usual large ones. Use a light target load. I run a lot of 200 grain cast lead SWC's over 4.0 grains of Bullseye for the Goldcup with its lighter recoil spring, and 5.0 grains for the hardball gun. With that bullet weight and shape, those charge numbers are safe to use as recipes without load workup and with anybody's brass and anybody's large pistol primer. With Hodgdon Universal or 231, go up 0.2 grains for each.

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Old 03-12-2011, 07:45 PM
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Easy answer... no problem. As stated above, just watch for steel and aluminum cases and the NT brass with the small pistol primers. The brass with the sp will load just fine with no problems other than a change of primer size.
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:17 PM
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Easy answer... no problem.
For cast bullet loads that go bang, and 15-25ft targets, pretty much the case.

I would not waste good premium jacketed bullets on mixed brass, myself, and I'd avoid any loads above the middle of the range. I'd also load with medium burn rate powders like W231 and Unique. They are more forgiving of variations that mixed components can bring to the game.

Otherwise, load up and shoot away. You can always blame a bad shot on the mixed brass
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With this rifle and mixed 45acp brass, I can shoot a 4" 20 shot group rapid fire at 100m with 230 gr Montana Gold 230 gr FMJ and a grain past 460 Rowland loads.
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another vote for Winchester 231 with lead bullets. I use 5.0 gns.
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With this rifle and mixed 45acp brass, I can shoot a 4" 20 shot group rapid fire at 100m with 230 gr Montana Gold 230 gr FMJ and a grain past 460 Rowland loads.
That is too cool.
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With this rifle and mixed 45acp brass, I can shoot a 4" 20 shot group rapid fire at 100m with 230 gr Montana Gold 230 gr FMJ and a grain past 460 Rowland loads.
Just out of curiosity, do you know what kind of velocity you're getting with that combination?
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Just out of curiosity, do you know what kind of velocity you're getting with that combination?
Quickload says 1662 fps 52kpsi for the 20 shot group.
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QuickLoad is fascinating, but it's lousy at predicting velocity from straight-walled cases...what does your chronograph say?
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QuickLoad is fascinating, but it's lousy at predicting velocity from straight-walled cases...what does your chronograph say?
You are right. Quickload is often way off on super hot loads with straight wall cases with Power Pistol in handguns, as the fire ball gets bigger and the pressure only inches up.

But this is AA#5 in a 26" barrel and not far from Quickloads calibrated 460 Rowland range. AA#5 is peaky and tends to completely burn.

I have lots of Power Pistol loads that QL thinks are over 1,000,000 psi, but somehow never manage to pierce the primer.

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I would bet money that 1662 fps is not 10% off the mark for 13 gr AA#5 1.275" 230 gr FMJ 26" barrel.
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:42 PM
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Have to measure to be sure. As to the high pressure loads, handgun primers frequently knock the bullet out forward before the powder gets burning well, so the actual powder space is a lot bigger than the one used for the calculation. Throws a monkey wrench into the works.
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I second the 4grs of Bullseye under a cast 200gr SWC load. CCI primers give the best accuracy with that combo.
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You are right. Quickload is often way off on super hot loads with straight wall cases with Power Pistol in handguns, as the fire ball gets bigger and the pressure only inches up.

But this is AA#5 in a 26" barrel and not far from Quickloads calibrated 460 Rowland range. AA#5 is peaky and tends to completely burn.

I have lots of Power Pistol loads that QL thinks are over 1,000,000 psi, but somehow never manage to pierce the primer.

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I would bet money that 1662 fps is not 10% off the mark for 13 gr AA#5 1.275" 230 gr FMJ 26" barrel.
So, what you're saying is, you've got an insanely cool, long-barreled, bolt-action 45 ACP rifle, as well as a lot of reloading experience...but you don't have a chronograph?

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So, what you're saying is, you've got an insanely cool, long-barreled, bolt-action 45 Colt rifle, as well as a lot of reloading experience...but you don't have a chronograph?
45acp.

I am on my 4th chronograph.
The first 3 chronographs only lasted ~ one magazine load of handgun ammo.
The 4th has lasted ~5 years by being restricted to rifles.
That 45acp rifle has been to the range twice since I built it in December 2000.

I buy ~30 guns a year, I build ~5 rifles a year, I go to the range ~ 5 times a year. I make ~4,000 posts on the internet a year about guns. Lots of talk, not much data.
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