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Old 04-26-2011, 11:09 AM
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Does anyone have any experience loading heavy bullets in the .325 WSM? I am thinking about purchasing a rifle in that caliber, but for my purposes I would need to be able to launch a 220 grain bullet at 2700 fps. Winchester claims to get 2840 fps with a 220 grain bullet. However, looking at Hodgdon data, I find that difficult to believe. They list only one powder whose max charge reaches 2700 fps. Is the Hodgdon data just really conservative? I would love to hear from someone with real world experience about their results.
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"Claims" is the key word. Do they claim it in a 28" barrel?

Hodgdon data is among the least conservative. You might call them and ask about Superformance in the .325 WSM.

Accurate 2700 also lists velocity above 2700fps.
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I find that Hodgdon is conservative with their max loads. Carefully work up a load with a powder that works well in your gun. My BLR 325 WSM likes H4350 with 65 grains of powder with Nosler 200 grain Accubonds. I have seen that some people load it to 69 gr. Nosler's max load in their manuel is 64.5 gr
H4350 @ 2925fps. If you use a well constructed bullet such as the Accubond or Barnes you could step down in weight and still get your wanted results. The 325WSM is a good cartridge for bullets up to 200 grains. When you go heavier, like the 220 grain+ bullet the 338 Win Mag has an advantage. However you still should get that 220 grain bullet to top 2700 fps with careful loading.
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:06 PM
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The key factor like kludge says is barrel length, many use 26" barrels for their results. A chronograph may surprise you when compared to book data.
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The 325WSM will do what you are asking, although it is right at the upper limits of its abilities. Like PAShooter said, if a 200gr Partition at ~2900fps won't do the job, you probably need to step up in caliber, not velocity. Just my .02
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:21 PM
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A 200 grain partition that starts out at 2900 fps is only traveling at 1723 fps when it reaches 600 yards
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The 325WSM will do what you are asking, although it is right at the upper limits of its abilities. Like PAShooter said, if a 200gr Partition at ~2900fps won't do the job, you probably need to step up in caliber, not velocity. Just my .02
And that is my only real objection to the .325. I get 2950 fps from my .300 Win with 200 grain Partitions that have a better B.C. and Sectional Density. If that isn't enough, I want something bigger and better - like a .338 Win at least.

I just don't "get" the .325 WSM. It's bigger than you need for smaller stuff, and the .338's of various types are better for the bigger stuff.
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And that is my only real objection to the .325. I get 2950 fps from my .300 Win with 200 grain Partitions that have a better B.C. and Sectional Density. If that isn't enough, I want something bigger and better - like a .338 Win at least.

I just don't "get" the .325 WSM. It's bigger than you need for smaller stuff, and the .338's of various types are better for the bigger stuff.
The 300WM is a full-length action and requires a bit more powder to pull it off, but it's still an excellent choice for whatever you want to hunt with it. The 338WM is also a terrific round that will harvest anything too big for the 300 mag. If I had rifles chambered in these two cartridges, I wouldn't spend good money on a 325WSM because I'd have the full spectrum covered.

What I like about the 325 is that it can be used for all of the above, even if it's a bit much for deer and isn't as good at 600 yards as other rounds. I can easily see loading it down with lighter bullets for deer and full throttle stuff out to 300 yards or so, for elk and big bears. No cartridge is for everybody but if you could own just one rifle for big game...I would argue that the 325WSM would be a very, very good choice. It would also be great for the guy with a 243 or 270 deer rifle that would like a bigger gun for hogs, elk, bears, etc.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:51 PM
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The 300WM is a full-length action and requires a bit more powder to pull it off, but it's still an excellent choice for whatever you want to hunt with it. The 338WM is also a terrific round that will harvest anything too big for the 300 mag. If I had rifles chambered in these two cartridges, I wouldn't spend good money on a 325WSM because I'd have the full spectrum covered.

What I like about the 325 is that it can be used for all of the above, even if it's a bit much for deer and isn't as good at 600 yards as other rounds. I can easily see loading it down with lighter bullets for deer and full throttle stuff out to 300 yards or so, for elk and big bears. No cartridge is for everybody but if you could own just one rifle for big game...I would argue that the 325WSM would be a very, very good choice. I would also be great for the guy with a 243 or 270 deer rifle that would like a bigger gun for hogs, elk, bears, etc.
Surely you are not suggesting someone should have only one gun!?

I do, however, see your point. My position comes from having more than one gun in the safe, and from being old enough that the new cartridges need to actually displace older ones to make sense to me. The .325 seems to be a "tweener" that I just can't justify, since there are already better rounds for my uses above and below its level of power.

I would have to agree that a one gun hunter could certainly make good use of it, however, there are actually quite a few rounds that will work very well like that.
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As I understand it , Winchester originaly set out to make a .338 WSM . But try as they might , they couldn't match the ballistics of the .338WM , not even close ! So their next brilliant idea was the .325 WSM , It would look better because of the Sleeker bullets , that's how they matched the 338WM velocity . The .325 hasn't set the world on fire and never will . I would bet that in 5 years or less nobody will be loading ammo for it . I E it will be a dead cartridge as will the 7mm WSM ! IMHO
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Well it would seem to me that a reloader can make the 325 WSM on par will the 8mm Mauser so it wouldn't be overrkill on deer, and that the 325 WSM is every bit the equal to the 8mm Rem Mag which is considered a potent bear round anyway. With this the 325 WSM is as useful if not more useful (capable) than any of the more popular rounds such as the 308 win and the 270 win.

Just about the only thing the 325WSM isn't any good for is varmint. And that's only because of recoil, not inability to destroy a chuck....

I would most certainly get one if there was game bigger than whitetails and black bear around here so I could maximize the upper end of it's ability without trying to go beyond my comfortable shooting distance.

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Well it would seem to me that a reloader can make the 325 WSM on par will the 8mm Mauser so it wouldn't be overrkill on deer, and that the 325 WSM is every bit the equal to the 8mm Rem Mag which is considered a potent bear round anyway. With this the 325 WSM is as useful if not more useful (capable) than any of the more popular rounds such as the 308 win and the 270 win.

Just about the only thing the 325WSM isn't any good for is varmint. And that's only because of recoil, not inability to destroy a chuck....

I would most certainly get one if there was game bigger than whitetails and black bear around here so I could maximize the upper end of it's ability without trying to go beyond my comfortable shooting distance.
+1 !! I've read a lot of postings about gloom and doom for the .325. I just wonder where those posters get their info. Of course you'll not find a rifle in .325 in every hunting camp, just as you'd figure with a new-ish chambering. But the facts are that when the .325 debuted there were exactly 3 different loads made by one manufacturer, Winchester. A quick look at the Midway USA site now shows nine different loads by three different manufacturers.

There are new bullets made now useful in both the 325 and 8X57. Nosler makes a 200gr bullet in both their Accubond and Partition lines and Barnes now makes a 200gr TSX as well. These fine bullets make both these chamberings more efficient now when we talk big game. There are after-market loaders showing lots of loads for the 325 as well, such as Stars & Stripes, Conley Precision Ammo (11 loads from 150-220gr) and even Wisconsin Cartridge Company.

Take a look on GunsAmerica. Pulling up rifles available there today in .325 there are presently 23 listings. There are bolt rifles so chambered (even left-handed models) along with levers and semi-autos. There's never been a lever action in .338WM, by the way. By comparison, there are now nine rifles available in 7mm08, all bolt rifles, no lefty models. Oh my GOSH, is the 7/08 gonna be simply a memory within a few years??

If you prefer the .338WM, that's fine with me. If you prefer the .300WM, that's fine too. But the .325 is the chambering that offers the shooter/hunter commercial loads readily available from 150 to 220gr with energy and trajectory to match both/either of the very fine longer mags.
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I've learned to ignore those that are continually bashing the WSM's and other short cartridges. They are usually people content with what they currently have...and there's nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, because they are content they don't likely buy many new guns and aren't really in tune with the current market.
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On the other hand, because they are content they don't likely buy many new guns and aren't really in tune with the current market.
Or they are just not susceptible to current marketing hype.
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Or, most likely, a combination of both. This is a classic example of "old n' busted" versus "new hotness".

The 325WSM doesn't do anything "new", but it IS the first short-action cartridge to do some of the things it is capable of doing. What old fuddy-duddies sometimes fail to do is look at new products in a vacuum, ignoring both past products and sales/marketing hoopla. Taken entirely on its merits, the 325WSM is an exceptional round! The only way you can disparage it is through comparison to older, full-length, well-established, magnum offerings, or by the sometimes distasteful way these new WSM/WSSM rounds are being marketed.

I'll put it like this: If the 325WSM was the only big game rifle on the market, and there were no annoying sales pitches being made about it, we hunters would have little, if anything, to complain about. It's a handloaders dream and will continue to be a successful addition to the WSM lineup. For those who think it will not be loaded for 10 years from now, you may be right, but the basic WSM case will be around for a long, long time, so it will be no trick to load your own 325WSM for the next 50 years, or more.
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Well said broom.
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Well it would seem to me that a reloader can make the 325 WSM on par will the 8mm Mauser so it wouldn't be overrkill on deer, and that the 325 WSM is every bit the equal to the 8mm Rem Mag which is considered a potent bear round anyway. With this the 325 WSM is as useful if not more useful (capable) than any of the more popular rounds such as the 308 win and the 270 win.
You may be underestimating the 8mm Rem Mag a little.My Rem 700 24inch barrel with RL 25 shoots the 220 gr. a bit over 3000fps and the 200gr. about 3200fps.
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I find the 325 WSM interesting and there are several good points made. But the 325 is not the equal of the 8mm RM, it will win out every time with it's case volume.
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300 wsm

i dont know about the 325wsm i just bought a 300wsm and its getting 3200 fps with a 150 grain bullet which is awesome it says a 220 bullet can go 2600fps a thought here mine is a browning with a boss on it. my ruger no1 6.5 creedmoor kicks twice has hard as the browning in 300wsm
i suggest you look at that and it is a sweet shooting gun..
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As much as I like the 325WSM, I freely admit that it won't keep up with the 8RM, especially with heavier bullets. At the same time, it still brings plenty of authority and doesn't require the full magnum length action of the 8RM. Using a 220gr Sierra bullet and RL19, the 8mm Rem Mag is capable of almost 200fps more velocity, burning ~12 grains more powder to get there. Both are very useful cartridges and I would never disparage the 8RM, especially since it was a personal favorite of one of the guys who made this forum what it is today.
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