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Old 10-12-2011, 12:29 PM
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New member here, I've used Win 748 for a long time but decided to try Varget for my 308Winchester. Gun is a Ruger 77 mark II with a 20 inch bbl. I,m looking fro a good starting point with either 150,165 or 180 grain bullets for deer here in Pa. I've used the 180s for black bear and the others for deer. No real preference, they all work well if I do my part.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:09 AM
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I have used Varget for 308 and 06 loads with 125 gr BTs to 180 gr RN. I find I can't use the max loads with any of the bullets and get the accuracy I want. The 308 does do better than the 06 as far as running a little better than a medium load with good accuracy. You know without all components identified it would be wrong to give you a starting load. check manuals for your components and start 10 % back from max. You can't go wrong.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:31 AM
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More specifically, I was wondering if anyone had any experience with varget in different bullet weights. Does it seem to favor heavy or light bullets? Thanks
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:46 AM
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With 150 to 168 br bullets, usually Sierra or Hornady, my .308 does well with Varget. Won't post loads on the internet as there are too many variables between chamberings and rifles.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:40 AM
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I was once a BIG Varget fan, but not anymore.
What I found is that it is much less particular with the lighter bullets. When using above 165's pressures are quicker, and temperature becomes very important.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:36 AM
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What are you using instead of Varget?
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:21 AM
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What are you using instead of Varget?
Your 748 is a very good powder in the 308. But, there are 3 other tried and true powders that will do anything with any bullet weight the 308 can shoot.

IMR 3031, 4064, and 4895 have been doing the job since the 50's with the 308 and they are never a mistake in any 308. I have gotten excellent results with 130gr Speer HPs, 150gr Hornady SST and SP, 150gr Speer SP and RN, 165gr Speer RN, 165gr Speer Sp. with the 3 powders and if forced to pick one would take IMR4064.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:49 AM
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I switched to 748.
Shooting 175 SMK's I found that 748 is very predictable, and smooth on the way to max pressure. 748 gives me single digit SD's when run close to max for my gun.
It does like to be run "hot", SD's in my gun come down very low, when running near the upper end of loading.

I also like that I have never run into the "hard carbon" issue with it. Several of Hodgdon's Extreme powders have given me that issue.
YMMV
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:55 AM
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Very interesting, I switched from 748 to varget because of high pressure signals (flattened primers') when shooting in summer with loads made in winter. I have read that 748 was very temperature sensitive while varget was not. 748 did give me great results in accuracy and spread and it meters great. 4064 didn't do nearly as well. Velocity was way down. Thanks for the replies.
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According to my tests, 46 grains of Varget behind a 165 grain bullet give almost a zero temperature coefficient in the 308. That's a pretty widely used load.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:52 AM
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The temp sensitivity thing was when Hodgdon started the marketing campaign for "Extreme" powders.
What they told you was that the Extreme's were magic compared to certain ball powders. What the fine print said was that in the3-400 degree temp swing(don't remember exactly), there statistically was no difference.

To each his own. I hope you can find a load with Varget that works for you.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:17 PM
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My Savage .308 gets a sticky bolt with near max loads and a 165 gr. A-max Two grains below the book Max and it's a joy, but I prefer Reloder 15.
The 30-06 A.I. does wonders with a heavy load of Varget and 180 grain bullets.
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Tom,
With Hornady bullets, I agree that 748 shows signs early(prior to book max), and doesn't get velocity stated(in my gun).

As I mentioned, with 175 SMK's(and the 168's) that is not the case. I get expected(book) results in reference to pressures/velocities.
With hornady bullets I found that different lots of bullets seem to have a wide range of "slipperyness" to them; and loads of different seasons don't work today.
Just my $.02
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:29 PM
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+1 on 46 grains of Varget behind a 165 grain bullet (Sierra 2145). That load has worked well for me in the past. 46.5 grains of RE 15 behind a 165 is my go to load for 308. It will give 2800 fps with a 24 inch barrel. I have have also been experimenting wiht 8208XBR. 45 grains with a 165 grain bullet gves nearly 2800 fps out of a 24 inch barrel.
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:57 PM
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I'm gonna try varget with 165 nosler bt. Haven't reloaded in about 5 years, but I'm ready start up again. Now I just need to find the time. This working for a living is'nt all it's cracked up to be.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:12 PM
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W-748

748 is hard to beat in the .308 , and works just as well in the .358 Too . There may be something better out there but I don't know what it would be . BLC-2 is a good .308 powder too .
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:29 PM
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I agree that 748 is great in 308. It has been the best powder I've tried to date. But, part of reloading to me, is always trying something new to make better loads. That's where the fun happens. I may wind up back with 748 but, I'm always game to try something new.
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Old 10-19-2011, 02:25 PM
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I had to look, my very best load in my rem 760 is 46 grs Varget w/150 Barnes TSX's, The funny part is the bullets are .150 off the lands. Shoots consistently at and under an inch from the bench at a 100 yds. I've not found a 748 load that shoots very well w/this gun. I may try the Varget w/some other bullets to just to see.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:32 PM
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Varget has worked well for me with either 150 or 165 Nosler ballistic tips or 165 Speer spitzers. But, when I look back at my targets over the past few years, H4895 has given me the best consistent accuracy. And I have had some good runs with Reloader 15 and BL(C)-2. Statistically, I doubt that I could prove that one was really more accurate than the other. Perhaps I have just had better shooting days when I was running H4895. Bottom line, you can't go wrong with Varget, or with many of the other medium burning powders that have been mentioned. Sort of like Chevy versus Ford trucks. Brand loyalty counts for more than actual performance.
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I loaded some 308 with 43.0 grains of Varget pushing a 150 gr. spitz. Fired in the 18 inch barrel of a Gibbs 2A1 at 100 yds. with scope. 3 shot one inch grp. on target as the scope was set. Haven't tried any other weight.

38 grains of the same powder and 311 dia bullet same type bullet and weight for the #1mklll* 303.
1 & 3/8 five shot group at fifty yds. Deer kill with this 303 load at 100 steps a few days after range shooting.donald fs
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