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Old 11-08-2011, 03:42 PM
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I am testing some powders in the 221 Fireball. I am trying Ltl Gun, Reloader 7, and I wrote to Ramshot powders for their load data - none is published for the 221. Here is what they sent me:


We suggest the following.
Caliber: .221 Fire Ball.
Barrel length: 24” (Reduce velocity values by ±19 % for 10” to 12” barrels = 300 to 400 Fps)
Powder: Ramshot – X-TERMINATOR®.
Bullet weight: 40 grains.
Start load: 20.0grains (ca 3050 Fps)
Maximum load: 22.0grains (3300 Fps).LD ca 106%.
Bullet weight: 45 grains.
Start load: 19.5 grains (ca 2900 Fps)
Maximum load: 21.5 grains (ca 3200 Fps) LD ca 105%.
Bullet weight: 50 grains.
Start load: 18.5 grains (ca 2700 Fps)
Maximum load: 20.5 grains (ca 3000 Fps) LD ca 104%.
Bullet weight: 53-55 grains.
Start load: 17.8 grains (ca 2600 Fps)
Maximum load: 19.8 grains (ca 2900 Fps) LD ca 102%.

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1.ALWAYS BEGIN LOADING AT THE RECOMMENDED MINIMUM “START” LOAD and develop loads in 2% increments towards the MAXIMUM load.
2.If possible, measure the velocity and correlate with our data.

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Old 11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
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Of the powders you have listed I use Reloader #7 (my goto powder for the Fireball) and LilGun. I've tried several others, including Accurate 1680 (lots of Fireball shooters swear 1680 is THE powder to use in the Fireball) but none give me the accuracy Reloader #7 does. I shoot mostly Nosler 40 grain Ballistic Tip bullets. Yet to find a bullet that is grossly inaccurate as long as it is not too heavy for the barrel twist. LilGun works best in my gun with light weight bullets (~33 grains).

Looked at your data sheet - can you even get 22 grains of powder in the case?
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Old 11-10-2011, 04:54 PM
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Looked at your data sheet - can you even get 22 grains of powder in the case?
I have a new CZ 527 and am going to shoot tomorrow. I loaded some cases with 50 grain Sierra flat base soft points with (14.0)Lil Gun and (17.0) RL7 tonight.

I loaded 50gn Dogtown with X-terminater 18.5 to try also.

To answer your question - I weighed 21.5 grains and dumped into a new 221 case. It almost filled up the case. I dumped some out until the top of the powder was at the top of the shoulder - min room enough for a bullet and the charge weighed 20.0. I will e-mail Ramshot with that and see what they say.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:18 PM
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I use a 1.3cc Lee Dipper Cup of RL#7 (~18.6 grains) with 40 grain bullets. Excellent case fill and highly accurate in my Rem 700 Fireball. How do you like the single set trigger on that CZ? I was able to adjust my 700 trigger to a light pull w/o creep but I like the CZ single set trigger better. I recommended the 527 to a retired Army buddy of mine who shoots varmints off his back porch on his farm. He loves it.
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Old 11-13-2011, 03:48 AM
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Thank you, I will have to try the Lee Dipper. I like the CZ 527. Several years ago I was looking for a varmint rifle. There are too many ground hogs around here. I started with the American made products. I looked at several gun shops and read what I could on the internet. Some I was looking at had poor stocks and I would need to replace the trigger. Barrel quality was hit or miss according to net reports. I kept reading about the CZ but never saw one. Many said it had a good trigger, real walnut stock, and a barrel quality that no one complained about. The magazine location seemed to be minor to the trigger, stock, and barrel. I was handed a CZ at a shop after looking at all the other 223's. I could not put it down. It was a stand out IMHO. When I looked up to tell the clerk -Sold- a guy behind me said he was going to buy it if I didn't. I think the trigger is great. I adjusted several CZ triggers and they seem to hold adjustment and are clean, light, and crisp breaking. The other rifles stay in the safe, the CZ is my critter gitter.

P.S. In my 221 Fireball - with 50 grain bullets - LtL Gun (14gn) shoots best so far with RL7 (17gn) very close. The X-Terminator (18.5) not so much and at the minimum load almost fills up the case. Like the 204 Ruger I watch the bullet hit the target, no recoil.

Thanks again for your help.

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Old 11-13-2011, 04:12 AM
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What part of western PA? You shouldn't have to suffer ground hog problems. Always willing to do my part when it comes to critter control.

For LilGun powder the Lee 1.0cc dipper is ideal. If it's not appearent, I like using the dipper cups and generally end up with a developed load that works well with one of the dippers. For the big boys I make dippers from other brass cases. Works for me.
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Southwestern PA. Groundhogs, I don't think of them as a problem ... more of an opportunity.


Many hay fields with the little rats all over. I have three farmers who gave me a standing invitation to drop by.
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