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Old 01-17-2012, 11:49 AM
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I've order the Marlin X7Y in 7mm-08 for my 11 yo daughter. Now I need to think about load development. I plan to load these myself. I want this to have low recoil for her as she's just starting out. Remington has managed recoil loads in 7mm-08 which use a 140 gr bullet. I would prefer to load 120 gr bullets and shoot at a little higher velocity..maybe 2400-2600 fps, but the concept is otherwise the same. I am thinking a speer hot cor or sierra game king in 120 gr would be soft enough for this application. I think most shots would be less than 250 yards. Any thoughts on this choice of bullet or other recommendations?
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Remington core loct or the Speer that you mentioned should work good. My preference would be the Rem's
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:44 PM
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I've had decent results with the Nosler Ballistic Tip 120gr out of my 7mm-08 encore handgun. They're running around 2500fps or so, and I haven't had any blow up on me due to fragmentation. They have taken a couple of deer, one at 200yds. They are also very accurate in my experience.

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Old 01-17-2012, 04:52 PM
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horniday makes some soft bullets but i dont use a lot of them mabey good learn on and pretty low on the cost scale
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:07 PM
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The 120gr Sierra Pro Hunter or the BT suggested by DCAMM94, over a reduced charge of ~35gr of H4895, would be just about perfect for shots of 200 yards or less. The youth loads on the Hodgdon site show a 130gr Sierra pistol bullet that is no longer made. They also show the 120gr Hornady. Of the available options, I'd go with the BT, hands down. You can almost bet it will be accurate and those bullets seem to perform even better when you slow 'em down a bit.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:15 PM
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I've loaded a 7-08 for my small frame wife for years, I'd definitely go w/120gr. bullets, quite a difference in recoil from a 140gr., I wouldn't load it too light for hunting, you should load some reduced loads for getting your daughter used to the recoil. The secret is, pad her shoulder w/ a towell at first, you want those 1st shots to be pleasant! It won't take many & she'll be comfortable. When she shoots at her first "live" target she could be shooting a 300 Mag. & never feel it! make sure you rezero the rifle for the heavier loads!
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:59 PM
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The 120gr Sierra Pro Hunter or the BT suggested by DCAMM94, over a reduced charge of ~35gr of H4895, would be just about perfect for shots of 200 yards or less. The youth loads on the Hodgdon site show a 130gr Sierra pistol bullet that is no longer made. They also show the 120gr Hornady. Of the available options, I'd go with the BT, hands down. You can almost bet it will be accurate and those bullets seem to perform even better when you slow 'em down a bit.
A load of 38-39 g of Varget works well also. It's below the starting load on hodgdon's site (41.5) but gives enough case fill to ensure a consistent burn. Should give you between 2400-2500 fps from the muzzle and won't push the BTs beyond their limit for expansion vs explosion. You might also just try the starting load of 41.5. I've loaded the 120g TTSX to 48 g of varget, but I've blown some primers, so I don't recommend it, and I have since backed off to below 47 for safety, because pressure seems to be lower with the TSX bullets. Either way, a starting load won't be bad on recoil with any of the powders in the hodgdon line, so I'd start with their reloading data for the 120s. Good luck.
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Old 01-18-2012, 02:28 AM
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A load of 38-39 g of Varget works well also. It's below the starting load on hodgdon's site (41.5) but gives enough case fill to ensure a consistent burn. Should give you between 2400-2500 fps from the muzzle and won't push the BTs beyond their limit for expansion vs explosion. You might also just try the starting load of 41.5. I've loaded the 120g TTSX to 48 g of varget, but I've blown some primers, so I don't recommend it, and I have since backed off to below 47 for safety, because pressure seems to be lower with the TSX bullets. Either way, a starting load won't be bad on recoil with any of the powders in the hodgdon line, so I'd start with their reloading data for the 120s. Good luck.
I am not aware of any published loads for Varget that drop below the recommended minimum. With H4895, Hodgdon spells out a formula for how low your starting weight can be and still get safe, consistent results. I've personally used the 30-'06 loads found on this website, which is dedicated to creating "Youth Loads".

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf

I have introduced several kids to hunting and helping them overcome a fear of recoil is crucial. One false step and you've got a lot of damage to undo...you might even kill their interest. If a full-throttle hunting load gives them scope eye, don't believe for a minute that they won't notice it, especially a young lady! The 60% rule with H4895 and a light-for-caliber bullet is a great way to keep the fun in hunting for ladies and kids, particularly since they won't be shooting long distances.

Let us know which route you decide to go and how the recoil/accuracy is of the loads you choose.

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Old 01-18-2012, 09:31 AM
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I'd look to the Hornady 154gr RN. that bullet will penetrate as far as you need while still working at low velocities. That big chunk of lead expands very easy.

The 120BT is actually a tough bullet, so be careful with that one.
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Never loaded for the 7mm, but for loads like this in 308 I like IMR 4895.

Nosler #4 lists the most accurate 7mm-08 load with the 120 gr BT as 39 gr IMR 4895. I'd try that.
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I'd look to the Hornady 154gr RN. that bullet will penetrate as far as you need while still working at low velocities. That big chunk of lead expands very easy.

The 120BT is actually a tough bullet, so be careful with that one.
Wherever did you get that idea?

I understand that it's one of Nosler's "big game" ballistic tips, not meant for varmints, but it's still quite a stretch to call them "tough". They expand well and hold together at 7-30 Waters velocity, from a 14" barrel, so I imagine they'd be about perfect in a reduced-recoil 7-08. Speaking of reduced recoil...shooting a fairly heavy projectile like the 154gr Hornady is kinda counter-productive if you're trying to keep the kick down, dontchya think?
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Wherever did you get that idea?

I understand that it's one of Nosler's "big game" ballistic tips, not meant for varmints, but it's still quite a stretch to call them "tough". They expand well and hold together at 7-30 Waters velocity, from a 14" barrel, so I imagine they'd be about perfect in a reduced-recoil 7-08. Speaking of reduced recoil...shooting a fairly heavy projectile like the 154gr Hornady is kinda counter-productive if you're trying to keep the kick down, dontchya think?
Well, I've heard the 120 BT is designed to even hold up to 7mag velocities at close range. More than one time I've heard they are even tougher than the 140BT.

I don't think a 154 RN at 2000fps would kick much at all. Remember that velocity factors into the recoil equation too. I shoot that bullet at 2700fps out of a very light rifle, and recoil is not bad at all. So, I think if you shoot it at the 1800-2000fps with some Trail Boss it would work very well. Trail Boss is a great powder for cast bullet loads or reduced velocity loads in centefire rifle cartridges.
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You may consider a Limb Saver recoil pad as well as the load you shoot.They really tame a rifle or shotgun down.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:14 PM
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Get the H4895 powder. Go to Midway USA and order the bulk bullets in 120 gr. Load up a bunch with the 60% load and let her shoot 'em up. They will be cheap. Use a Chrony to tell what velocity you are getting.

Then get the 120 NBT and load the H4895 up to a speed that gives you 1100 ft lbs of energy at 200 yards.

Go kill some deer.

I started my grand kids (10 yrs old) with 80 gr bulk bullets in a 243 loaded with the 60% H4895. That fall she was shooting a 95 gr Hornady SST bullet at around 2400 fps and got a large doe. My son shot a doe and I shot a coyote with the same gun and load. This year she was shooting 85 gr Barnes TSX at about 2900 fps and got a nice buck. Next fall she will be shooting 120 gr Nosler BT in a 260 REM at around 2800 fps. By starting light and gradually moving up the recoil scale, she's a very good shot with no flinching problems. She even shot her first deer left-handed, having never even practiced lefty.
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Well, I've heard the 120 BT is designed to even hold up to 7mag velocities at close range. More than one time I've heard they are even tougher than the 140BT.

I don't think a 154 RN at 2000fps would kick much at all. Remember that velocity factors into the recoil equation too. I shoot that bullet at 2700fps out of a very light rifle, and recoil is not bad at all. So, I think if you shoot it at the 1800-2000fps with some Trail Boss it would work very well. Trail Boss is a great powder for cast bullet loads or reduced velocity loads in centefire rifle cartridges.
I'd be interested to see something in print, listing the 120BT being tougher than the 140BT. My personal experience is the 120gr BT opens up just fine at reduced velocity. That is not hearsay, it's real life.

As velocity increases, kinetic energy also increases at a disproportionately faster rate. The same is true with regard to the way recoil increases, as bullet weight increases. That is why a 240gr bullet going half the speed of a 120gr bullet kicks quite a bit more. Hodgdon, in their published listing of reduced recoil Youth Loads, does not vary from their recommendation of using light-for-caliber bullets.

Have you created any reduced recoil loads using H4895, for any rifle?
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A 154 gr. roundnose has one purpose---paperweight!
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A 154 gr. roundnose has one purpose---paperweight!
I've killed alot of deer with that bullet out of my 284win. It is a stone cold killer out to 250yds and is as accurate as any bullet you can put in a 7mm.

Stop drinking the kool-aid about various bullets. RN bullets have been killing critters for over 100yrs and they are just as effective today as they were in the 1800s.
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I'd be interested to see something in print, listing the 120BT being tougher than the 140BT. My personal experience is the 120gr BT opens up just fine at reduced velocity. That is not hearsay, it's real life.

As velocity increases, kinetic energy also increases at a disproportionately faster rate. The same is true with regard to the way recoil increases, as bullet weight increases. That is why a 240gr bullet going half the speed of a 120gr bullet kicks quite a bit more. Hodgdon, in their published listing of reduced recoil Youth Loads, does not vary from their recommendation of using light-for-caliber bullets.

Have you created any reduced recoil loads using H4895, for any rifle?
I don't use h4895 in any gun for any reason.

The KE formula may be what everyone thinks about when it comes to killing ability of a cartridge, but it really stinks when compared to the real world results. Big Bullets moving at a moderate velocity have been killing game since gunpowder was invented. I'd rather shoot a heavy bullet at 1800-2000fps than a light bullet at 2500fps. The heavy bullet will break bones and keep moving thru the animal, the light bullet may not.
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I too am about to start a kid deer hunting. I just loaded up some reduced loads in 7mm-08. I decided to go the "practice only" route for now. I chose the Sierra 100 gr varminter over 32 gr H4895. I believe that works out to about a 75% load. It's too cold here now to bother with the chrony, but some quick 100 yd groups were perfectly acceptable and recoil was practically nil. It kinda got me thinking about a summer run to Montana to see what that load will do to the gophers.

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Round nose bullets certainly are effective at killing deer. Keep in mind that the reason we started making bullets pointy was to change the bullets flight characteristics, not to kill a deer deader. I like faster and flatter bullets as do most people, so I much prefer a spire point.
Very true CVC. But, inside 200yds the RN bullet doesn't really handicap the hunter in any real fashion. Inside 100 yds ,where most deer are shot, it may actually be a better bullet than the Spire points.
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