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Old 05-04-2012, 04:49 PM
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After many years of not shooting, I am going to get back into reloading again. I am looking to load my Blackhawk in .45 Colt with .250-260 grain cast bullets. I am not interested in heavy hunting loads, just fun shooting loads. What brand cast bullets do any of you recommend? Thanks so much.
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:07 PM
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I like Dardas and shoot both his 200 gr. and 255 gr. cast in my .45 colt and I use the 200's in my .45 acp also for target loads.

dardas cast bullets: Round Nose Flat Point

I'm shooting some LaserCast right now and they aren't horrible either. I like Dardas blue lube better though.
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www.missouribullet.com is a good place to order cast bullets. Cost is fair and the bullets arrive pretty fast.
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:25 PM
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Contrary to the experts, loading manuals, etc. Make sure your 45 Colt bullets are .454 diameter. I checked Dardas and he offers his 250 grain 45 Colt bullets in .454. I think Marshall also offers his in 454.
99% of the cast manufacturers don't offer their 45 slugs in .454.

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Old 05-04-2012, 07:36 PM
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I've shot a ton of the .452 size in the 200 gr. with zero issues also. Unless your gun is overbore, .452 is nominal for the .45 Colt and .451 is nominal for .45 ACP, but I use the same for both. Most of my .45 ACP is put through my Witness Match and some for plinking through my blackhawk. I don't push my lead only loads though and most have 6 gr. Unique or enough to make my slide cycle on the Witness.
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Old 05-05-2012, 03:25 AM
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I wish I had your good fortune.
With one Ruger Blackhawk, one Colt Anaconda and six S&W model 25s I've always gotten leading with store bought .452 cast bullets.
For my own bullets I use 8.5 grain to 9.5 grains of Unique with air cooled Wheel weights and LBT lube with out leading. I try to clean my revolvers every thousand rounds because they start to lok a bit cruddy, but no leading.
Over the years i've taken to carrying my Lewis lead remover as friendly gesture for acquaintances at the shooting whose barrels look like sewer pipes from shooting store bought bullets.
I'm glad you have your good fortune.

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Old 05-05-2012, 04:20 AM
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I am not interested in heavy hunting loads, just fun shooting loads. What brand cast bullets do any of you recommend?
If you're not trying for hunting level performance, drop back on bullet weight. Lead is expensive stuff these days, and you're paying by the lb. Same with powders.

I use Red Dot with extruded lead bullets from Hornady, and I load to about 750fps. Leading is minimal, even with a couple hundred shots. Cast 200gr SWC's work real well with a bit more Unique at 800-900fps.

You can only kill paper, or clay birds, just so much dead, and lighter lead bullets at modest speeds are totally adequate for that, and usually very accurate too.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:20 AM
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Though a little heavier than you were looking for I have had excellent results with the Lee 300 grainer in both a black hawk and a 92 carbine. For target loads I use Unique or Trailboss and for hunting loads H110 coloring the primers with a sharpie to tell the difference. I have even used this bullet in a 45-70 after paper patching it.
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For true fun loads, it is hard to beat a 230 RN meant for the 45 ACP over 6.0 of almost any fast pistol powder. Crimp lightly right at the start of the ogive. 800 fps and accurate.

Almost all commercial cast bullets are too hard with an ineffective hard lube. They are made that way so they ship well, not to shoot well - which they don't. Many are too small in diameter, as well, and that certainly doesn't help.

In addition to this board's owner (to whom we all owe just a bit of business, right?) I like Leadhead Bullets of Kansas.
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. . . I am looking to load my Blackhawk in .45 Colt with .250-260 grain cast bullets. I am not interested in heavy hunting loads, just fun shooting loads. What brand cast bullets do any of you recommend? Thanks so much.
I cast my own fun shooting bullets. I'm into shooting period correct bullets in my Colt SA clone so I shoot 250 gr. round nose flat point (RNFP) bullets. I'm seriously thinking of dropping back to 200 gr. bullets due to the current cost of lead (about $1/lb. plus shipping on eBay) and the fact that I'm punching holes in paper rather than shooting game.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:56 AM
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This is the second mention of lead alloy being costly.
I've not bought lead in a generation, maybe longer. I mention to friends that I can use lead and lead alloys, I'll get several hundred pounds a year of various sorts.
All that I get I add to the several tons I already have.
Where's the scroungers?
Wife person will buy pewter for me at yard sales, Salvation Army and Good Will. Pewter is partly lead, tin and Antimony, maybe a dash of arsnic to sweeten the alloy a bit.

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Old 05-06-2012, 07:48 AM
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I've shot a ton of the .452 size in the 200 gr. with zero issues also. Unless your gun is overbore, .452 is nominal for the .45 Colt and .451 is nominal for .45 ACP, but I use the same for both. Most of my .45 ACP is put through my Witness Match and some for plinking through my blackhawk. I don't push my lead only loads though and most have 6 gr. Unique or enough to make my slide cycle on the Witness.
The only sure way to know what diameter to use is to slug the barrel, and the cylinder chamber throats on a .45 Colt.

The diameter of the bullet should be at least .001" bigger than the width of the bore. But even in modern recently made pistols, throat diameter and bore diameter can be all over the place, just like in the old days. One of the reasons it didn't matter too much back then was that the standard 250 RNFP had a hollow base, which expanded into the rifling on firing, and black powder gives the bullet a "boot" in the butt that smokeless doesn't.

My Blackhawk has chamber throats that are .455" with one at .456". The bore mikes at .452" with groove diameter at .4535". I use the Beartooth 265 WFNGC at .453" and get 6 shots into about 2.5" at 25 yds. It will put the Hornady 250 gr. XTP HP into the same size group. If you are using the .45 ACP cylinder in a convertible model, accuracy in a gun with an oversize bore will likely be mediocre at best.

There are a lot of guns out there, however, where the bore is bigger than the chamber mouth, and accuracy with such as those is a joke. Another problem often seen is chambers that are oversize enough that cases can bulge noticeably. That makes extraction a pain, and works the snot out of the brass on sizing.

.452 is usually just fine for the ACP with lead bullets, just use lead of sufficient hardness to prevent leading.
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I use for plinkin 230gr speer LRN over 6 gr of trailboss a mild load and very accurate in my 4.5'' blackhawk.A good load newbie shooters and kids to learn with and just a hoot to shoot
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Im into the second box of Laser Cast 250 grain RNFP lead bullets I bought. They are .452 diameter and I shoot them through a variety of Ruger .45 Colt revolvers. I'm not pushing these at Ruger Only velocities, just SAMMI spec to get around 850 fps. If I want to go faster/harder for game I shoot 300 grain Cast Performance bulets.

I'm not having leading problems.

This being said, once those all run out Ive got a pile of my own bullets I cast from Lyman #2 in a Lee 250 grain RNFP mold and a Lee 300 grain LFNCG mold. I've shot some of these already and I know they shoot well too, I just haven't shot enough of them to know for sure if they will leave a lot of lead deposits. If they do, Ill play with them a little, lead formula, and sizing, to see if I can make them better.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:26 AM
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I shoot .452s from various malkers with very little difference

I like Rim Rock bullets

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