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Old 01-10-2013, 07:03 AM
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I have a cz 308 I am looking to shoot long range, does anyone have any powder,bullet,primer recommendations, and if anyone has any opinions on varget powder an h380 it would he helpful! And I'm only interested in target shooting
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:26 AM
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What weight bullet do you want to use? What is "long range"?

Some good target bullets for the .308 Win on the "cheap" side:
Sierra Match King BTHP: 155gr, 155gr Palma, 168gr, 175gr, 180gr, 190gr
Hornady A-Max: 155gr, 168gr, 178gr
Hornady BTHP: 168gr, 178gr

I've been using 168 SMK; these are not ideal for 1000 yards, but work great for shorter distances. After I get through my current batch of 168gr A-Max I'm going to try the 155gr SMK Palma; I've been hearing great things. And less recoil would be nice.

I shoot a .308 Win Savage 110FP 24" heavy barrel 1:10" twist.

Varget is good, but needs to be compressed for top velocity. IMR 4064 is my choice for the 168gr, it's the sweet spot of burn rate and case filling loads, but is more temp sensitive than Varget. H4895 is a great all around powder but slightly less velocity than IMR 4064 or Varget with bullets 165gr and heavier. When I get the 155 Palmas I'm going to compare IMR 4064 and H4895. I suspect I'll like H4895 better due to less temp sensitivity.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:47 AM
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I've been reading on the Sierra 190 long range competitions people seem like they have gotten good results "eventually" I would like to go out to 1000 yards,
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Sir,

Go heavy (180+) instead of light (168) for real long range. You'll have to dope like nobody's business past 400 yards.

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Do y'all think a rcbs or redding comp seating die set would be worth it for those ranges, and are there any tools for testing max coal y'all would recommend?
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Do y'all think a rcbs or redding comp seating die set would be worth it for those ranges, and are there any tools for testing max coal y'all would recommend?
For seating dies I'd recommend the Forster Benchrest seater. It's the one Redding copied to make theirs. Basically the same tool but at about 1/2 cost of the Redding.

For COL guage, I built my own but the idea came from Stoney Point's gage. The same thing is now sold by Hornady. Very easy to use and will give consistant results.
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Ok thank you, ill look into it
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:16 PM
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will those dies fit rcbs presses?
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will those dies fit rcbs presses?
Yes, they have the 7/8x14 thread which is the industry standard.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:40 PM
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Cade,
You are asking for 5 pages worth of load & shooting experience, in a sentence answer.

CHEAP match bullets are the Nosler 168gr ustom Comps. Mid south sells them very cheap, as does shooters pro shop.
The trick with bullet weights is: Drift, Drop, Stability.
Heavy bullets drop farther, but drift less. Light are the opposite.
The trans-sonic range can cause bullets to get Crazy-with-the-cheese-whiz, depending on tail angle.
Also very heavy bullets my not get pushed fast enough to properly stabilize.

The answers depend upon what challenges you want, and A LOT of YOU testing.

My 10FP has a very long throat. I can seat my 175SMK's very long, which helps with capacity and velocity.

Personally I detest Varget for 1,000 yard shooting the above bullets. Pressures come on quickly, and I never could get near expected launch velocities. I like both Win 748(175's) or CFE223(sub 175's). Those powders have been EXTREMELY consistent, and I can get to expected launch without undue pressure or brass wear.
WLR work fine, but BR2's lowered my ES by half.

I also found the mysteries of LR shooting to dissolve when using volume charging, rather than powder weight.
I use standard Lee collet dies and mixed brass. My rifle holds MOA at that distance.

Test, test, test!!! And good luck
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I haven't had a chance to shoot past ~300 yards yet, but the 155gr A-Max bullets, also from Model 10 FLP (left-hand) are shooting under 1/2 MOA, with H4895. This coming summer the plan is to shoot out to 500 or 600 yards. Not too sure about 1,000 yards, yet. Would probably need a more powerful scope than the 3-9X40 currently on the rifle.
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My 10FP has a very long throat. I can seat my 175SMK's very long, which helps with capacity and velocity.
Mine too. I seat 168SMK out to 2.900" instead of the 2.800" in the book, and I'm right about 0.015" off the lands.
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Tomorrow morning I'm heading to the range to shoot 168 grain Custom Competition 500 yards prone. Last time I was content putting 10 rounds into a red yogurt lid out of 10 fired.
I'm using Federal Brass, regular Winchester primers, 43 grain of IMR 4064 and 168 grain Custom Competition.
Later this spring I'll be trying 175 grain slugs.

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