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Old 11-02-2013, 06:54 PM
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Hi folks, new to 30 30 hand loading. Load for my 243 no problems. I have a LEE hammer and hand reload kit that Methusalah must have used but it seems in good shape. I cleaned up some of my old brass(fired from this gun) and followed the directions and measured length to match factory rounds. Primed 50 cases and stuck bullets in 3 and went to check them out. None of the 3 would load. They go a little over 3/4 length in the chamber and jam. Upon close inspection the bottom of the bullets bulge in the case. Using Hornady 30 cal .308 110 grain RN. Factory loads work fine. What gives?
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:44 PM
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The Lee Classic Loader neck sizes only, not full length. As for the bullet base causing a bulge in the neck, I can only speculate you are not getting the bullet started square with the case mouth before using the mallet to seat. Is the bulge more pronounced on one side than the other?
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Old 11-02-2013, 08:18 PM
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Try chambering the sized case before you seat a bullet. Then, if you seat a bullet and see the bulge is all the way around the neck and represents the profile of the bullet from the base to the mouth you probably ought to verify your bullet diameter with some calipers or a nice micrometer.
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Old 11-03-2013, 04:37 AM
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Kdub, I can see where they may not have started square as they are bulged slightly more on one side. I'll have to try a couple more to figure out how to get them to stay square as I pound/seat them. Hard to hold them after I drop the bullet in the hole.
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Old 11-03-2013, 04:41 AM
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Unclepaddy, I have an electronic set of calipers. The run out is within .001 all the way up. I chambered the last test casing several times and it seats fine without the bullet. Bullet installed stopped it about 3/4 way in though. doesn't seem like much of a bulge anywhere around this one. A bullet alone wiill not fit down the barrel and it measured out at .308.
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Find a fired case that will fit in the chamber. Crush the case neck slightly so that a bullet will be a slip fit. Then carefully chamber the round. The length will show where the bullet should be seated. That bullet may not fit your rifle.

Also, if the case looks bulged after loading the bullet, you might need to chamfer the inside of the case. If the case mouth is rough it may seat the bullet crooked which will not chamber correctly.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:29 AM
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slip fit

Ironhead, can you expound on your crush the neck slightly and "slip fit" the bullet process.
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How much smaller is your resized neck ID compared to the bullet? Does the bullet profile allow self centering on the seater stem?
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The inside dia of casings are .31 - .32 and the bullets measure out at .309 to .310 even though they are supposed to be .308
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Were these cases fired in this rifle? If not, they need full-length resizing.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:59 AM
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30 30

These were all fired in this gun
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Need to find out where the interference is. "Paint" the entire outside of a loaded round with a dry erase marker or similar, carefully load into the gun, then extract and see where it rubs off.

"3/4 of the way into the chamber" doesn't sound like the cartridge is even getting where the neck would have contact - but I may be misunderstanding your description.

Also, if the chamber is out of round, that could be the issue. You could try gently rotating one of the cartridges a little at a time and see if that makes any difference.

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The inside dia of casings are .31 - .32 and the bullets measure out at .309 to .310 even though they are supposed to be .308
Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, with the sizes you listed the bullet should drop into the case.
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Are the "factory rounds" that you are setting your OAL by round nosed? If you are trying to set round nose to the same OAL as rounds with a substantial ogive your bullet may be hitting the leade taper or the rifling. Most 30-30s don't have much leade. I would check the recommended OAL for that bullet with data from the bullet manufacturer, and set it to what they recommend rather than some factory round length.
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Gary, 20+ years of helicopters makes me appreciate your tag!

Length on these were 2.51 - 2.54. same as factory assortment randomly selected.
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Monty, You would think so. Danged if I can figure it though. I measured several random Cases and bullets but they won't drop in. Out of curiosity I dropped a bullet nose first into the business end of my rifle and it goes half way in before stopping.
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Just checked a couple of unprimed casings and the bullets Do drop into them!
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Just checked a couple of unprimed casings and the bullets Do drop into them!
were those cases resized or with the spent primer just removed?
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I think I may have figured it out. My son assisted with the 30 30 brass and may not have used the depriming tool but used the priming rod which is a smaller diameter. I resized one round with the depriming tool being careful not to hit the primer and the bullet goes in with the slightest of pressure. Powdered up and seated bullet. Goes in the rifle now. However, after levering it in and out 3 times the bullet jammed down into the case to where just the tip of the nose was out 1/4 inch. I had slightly crimped it but these bullets don't hava a crimping groove!
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Well now the bullets are practically falling through and the crimp process on these are ugly bulges and don't stay straight. I am done for the night! 6 non useables and only 44 more chances to get it right from the primed 50. Tomorrow is a new day and opportunity.
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