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Old 09-24-2007, 01:26 PM
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Howdy all. I know this has been talked to death. But here goes; I was wanting to have one lever action gun (one gun period for that matter)that I could take out into the field for both bear and deer hunting. Will my marlin 336 in 30.30, but enough for a less than 125 yd shot for a 400lb, or so, bear? Or would a marlin 336 in .35 remington make enough difference to buy a new one? I live in Northern Cal and where I am going the bears could get up to 500lbs.
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:39 PM
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The 35 will surely have more thump than the 30-30, but both a re great guns, and both have killed alot of bear.
I have and shoot both. The 35 has more juice, and realy shines once handloaded.
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You want to have only one gun? You cannot be a rifle lonney like the rest of us. Oh well. to answer your question, Tthe 30-30 will handle your needs very well. The 35 Rem. uses a larger bullet, 200 grains and the 30-30 uses a 170 grain bullet, but on the game end there will not be much difference. If I were to buy one, I would go for the 35 Rem., but if I already had the 30-30 I would NOT trade it in on a 35. Not enough in performance to be gained. Enjoy the 30-30 and good hunting.

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When in doubt, go with the bigger/heavier bullet.
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Old 09-24-2007, 05:32 PM
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Yep, what Chris said. My .35 Rem has been a superb game killer.

Both 200gr. Cor-Lokt factory ammo at ~2,000fps and 180gr. cast bullet handloads at ~2300fps do the job just fine.....

The .35 Rem pushes another 30 grains of bullet weight at the same velocities as the .30-30, in equal barrel length. That's another way to look at it.

Example, the usual 170gr. .30-30 bullet is generally going about 2,000fps or so at the muzzle from a 20" barrel, same as the 200gr. factory load from the .35 REm in that barrel length.

With specialty loads like the Buffalo Bore .35 Rem 220gr. bullet at 2200fps, it's no longer close at all.

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Old 09-24-2007, 05:37 PM
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The .35 Rem doesn't have very much of an advantage over the 30-30 if your using factory ammo due to the mild loads. Hand loading the .35 Rem gives it a definate advantage and makes it one of my favorite cartridges. Since you have a 30-30 and don't wan't another gun you would be best off handloading or finding a premium factory load. In my opinion both calibers are marginal for 125 yard shots at 400-500 lb bears unless you choose your shots well. A pissed off bear can cover that distance in just a few seconds
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Old 09-24-2007, 06:37 PM
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Thanks for the advice

Thanks for the advice. I seems the real differences comes out when you handload. but is fairly marginal when buying factory loads. I'm not into handloading yet, but probably will be sometime in my life so right now upgrading to a .35 rem will probably not make that much of a difference. Will probably buy one when I start doing some serious handloading. Again, thanks for all the advice. It seems I'll work on my aim with the .30-30 and hope that and my .44 mag pistol will take care of any charging blackies. The forum is great.
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May not be what you want to hear. But if you want one gun and you want it to be a lever, you may want to seriously consider getting a Browning BLR in .358 Win. or a .444 Marlin.

Either of these I would think matches your requirements about perfectly. However as much as I know the BLR is a good gun, I just can't get over the looks for some reason.

The 444 Marlin balistically virtually matches the 356 Win (not 358 Win)performance out to about 200 yards and throws a bigger bullet to boot!
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:13 PM
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35 Rem over the 30-30 for sure.

Isn't someone making hotter loads for the 35 Rem these days? I recall hearing about that, but as I don't have a 35 Rem, I can't remember who. Maybe Buffalo Bore.

I had my 30-30 bored to 356 Win. It's awesome!!
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:49 PM
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A 30-30 or a 35 remington will do the job. I used my grandfathers Marlin 336C in 35 Remington to drop a black bear. 35 remington has just a little more umph than the 30-30. However if you want one caliber levergun for under 125 yards I would get an 1895G (45-70).

As a side note .35 remington might be harder to find than .30-30 ammo. I would not know though I use granpas reloads in his guns. It is way cheaper. FREE!!
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:24 PM
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With the new Leverevolution ammo it does extend the range of both the 30-30 and .35 Rem. If you must get a new gun, look at the new XLR Marlins, with the long 24 inch bbl and laminate stocks and stainless steel. The levergun for a one gun battery. If you get into handloading either cal will be good, a plus with the .35 is the available bullets from .38special and .357 mag and maximum. The .35 Rem 200gn round nose is a sure bear getter.
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I understood you to say that you already have a 30-30 and want to know if that is enough gun or do you need to trade it in on a 35 Remington. Some of these post imply that you have no gun and are buying one.

If you have a 30-30 keep it, It woll work fine.
If you are buying a gun, go for the 35 Rem., it has a very slight edge over 30-30. That edge being a heavier bullet, 200 to 220 gr. for the 35, and a 170 gr. for the 30-30.

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going with the .30-30 for now.

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I understood you to say that you already have a 30-30 and want to know if that is enough gun or do you need to trade it in on a 35 Remington. Some of these post imply that you have no gun and are buying one.

If you have a 30-30 keep it, It woll work fine.
If you are buying a gun, go for the 35 Rem., it has a very slight edge over 30-30. That edge being a heavier bullet, 200 to 220 gr. for the 35, and a 170 gr. for the 30-30.

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Howdy all,
Thanks for the input from everyone. I'm going for the .30-30 for now. I saw on Midway today that Buffalo bore was selling a 190 gr. for the .30-30. Was so excited that I called Buffalo bore on a Sunday (and got someone). He told me that that was a premature advertisement. He said that they are testing the 190 gr right now and expect it to come out in early january or so. He said they were designing it for Elk hunting. When it comes out, I think I will stick with my .30-30. If I know Buffalo bore, it will be strong enough for the bear I am going after.
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I know this is an old thread but one thing needs to be said. On paper and printed ballistics do not do justice to the real difference between the 30-30 and the 35. The 35 due to caliber difference and weight and speed is much superior to the 30-30.

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Old 11-10-2007, 04:37 PM
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I've seen a pile of black bear killed, bet a dollar to a donut no bear could tell the difference. If you've got the 30-30 I wouldn't buy a different gun to kill black bear.
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The 30-30 will handle black bear with no problem. I've seen it many times. A well placed 170 gr. bullet is all it takes. With that being said I'd suggest that if you are going to deal with blackies over 400 lbs you keep your range down to 100 yards or less. Try to get that bullet angled in behind the front shoulder. Personally, I'd use the Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition or Winchester 170 gr Silver-Tips.

I've never killed a bear with my Marlin 30-30 but only because I didn't have it with me when I did get chances to take black bear. My last bear, a little over 300 lbs, I took with my Marlin 336 .35 Remington. My biggest bear which dressed out at 384 lbs I took with my 30-06. I'm a .35 man to the end and if I could only have one rifle for the hunting I do hear in the northeast it would without a doubt be my 35.

Looking at paper ballistics and someone could think that the 30-30 is really harder hitting. For knockdown power the 35 is in fact better and I've taken deer with both. Handload the 35 and just like the shooter told you the 35 really shines. Either way like anything else bullet placement is the big thing. If I was looking to do more bear hunting than deer hunting I'd be toting a 35 Rem.

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Old 11-13-2007, 11:36 AM
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Howdy all. I know this has been talked to death. But here goes; I was wanting to have one lever action gun (one gun period for that matter)that I could take out into the field for both bear and deer hunting. Will my marlin 336 in 30.30, but enough for a less than 125 yd shot for a 400lb, or so, bear? Or would a marlin 336 in .35 remington make enough difference to buy a new one? I live in Northern Cal and where I am going the bears could get up to 500lbs.
I just have to recommend the .35 over the 30-30 for the conditions you describe. Citing what's been already stated, real world conditions give the .35 a distinct edge, as has been my experience as well. For bear over 400 pounds Buffalo Bore's heavy .35 (220 Grain Speer @ 2200 fps) or Hornady's soft pointed leverEvolution would be the only ammo I'd be carrying.

I've bought. sold and traded numerous 30-30's but have always come back to my Marlin .35, just for the fact that I've never lost an animal w/ the .35, something I can't say about using the 30-30. Don't get me wrong, I think everyone should have a 30-30 in their collection because it is what it is; a legend. If I was in your shoes, I'd get a Marlin 1894 .44 mag to go with your revolver., but that's just me.

If you are sticking with your 30-30 do yourself a favor and pick up 2 boxes of the LeverEvolution ammo and go to the range. Zero it in for 150 yards if you can, if not just get a group about an inch or so high at 100 yards. You will immediately see that this ammo shoots much flatter than other factory ammo, so take advantage of the increased velocity and downrange energy it offers. There are numerous reports from folks who have used this ammo to take game far beyond what is considered the limit of the 30-30's range. So far it's been used on everything from hogs up to elk with great results, and from what I've seen here in Texas the price is either the same and sometimes less than Remington or Federal ammo. That is a much cheaper option than buying another rifle, although not nearly as fun.

Please post your results and good luck.

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Howdy all. I know this has been talked to death. But here goes; I was wanting to have one lever action gun (one gun period for that matter)that I could take out into the field for both bear and deer hunting. Will my marlin 336 in 30.30, but enough for a less than 125 yd shot for a 400lb, or so, bear? Or would a marlin 336 in .35 remington make enough difference to buy a new one? I live in Northern Cal and where I am going the bears could get up to 500lbs.
Hi, not long ago I kind of had the same ?. I was looking for a leaver gun for dear, moose, and bear and with the help for hear and looking at ammo makers pages. I came to prefer the 444. This may not be the right one for you, but you will not be out guned.
on 11-12-07 monday I droped a dear at 175 yards. one shot through the neck and crushed 4 vertabre and loged in the bone at the bace of the neck. (open sights)
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You can not compare either gun by on paper ballistics. The 35 caliber is much more a bear gun than a 3030.
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Isn't someone making hotter loads for the 35 Rem these days? I recall hearing about that, but as I don't have a 35 Rem, I can't remember who. Maybe Buffalo Bore.
I have a 336 in .30-30 and .35 Remington.

There isn't much to argue about if you're slinging Winchester Power points or Remington Core Locks, not really.

A dose of the Buffalo Bore is a significant difference. The 220gr FP's are moving at a pretty good clip, somehow, and they do bring a bit more punch to the game. A possible tie breaker for larger game might be the Nosler Partition for the .30-30. I have not tried them, and probably won't, as most of the places I carry either gun, anything 125yds away might as well be on the moon. But for the one gun .30-30 guy, it could be an advantage if you ever actually see a 400lb bear.
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