I have hunted with both a .30-30 and a .35 remington. From what I understand these two round are pretty much ballisticly simmilar. The .35 remington is slightly heavier and a larger diamiter. What true advantage does the .35 remington have over the .30-30? How big of a critter do you think it would be accepted to hunt for with a .30-30 and a .35 remington?

Zap you might want to do a search on this subject. It's been discussed here a bunch over the years.

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Bob from Idaho

If I had a 30-30 I would not scrape it for a 35 but if I was buying and choosing between two it would be a 35 if I hunted in heavy cover and might hunt a elk or like with it too. Not that a 30-30 will not take a elk reliably with good shoot placement but that the bigger diameter and heavier bullet it is a better game stopper and makes a bigger "hole" before bullet even opens up.

Killed a bunch of stuff with Marshall's cast bullets in my .35 Rem.

It works really, really, really well. Much more so than you would expect. Couldn't recommend one highly enough.

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MikeG

The latest issue of Precision Shooting magazine (just got it last night) has a good article on the 35 Remington, and inevitably compares it to the 30-30. That article backs up what most discussions here conclude: the 35 Remington is capable of being a much harder hitting cartridge than the 30-30, especially when handloaded to it's potential.

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MikeG

I'm interested in your choice of bullets, any standouts that you can share?

Have you loaded pistol bullets in your .35?

I have a .35 in TX for whenever I get back there and I would like to find a cast load that works well.

I tend to like heavy for caliber slower moving bullets, but I also try to find out what the gun likes...

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Grizz

Never messed with jacketed pistol bullets.

There are only two cast bullets I'm aware of that are really ideal for the .35 Rem. The Beartooth 180gr. "+p" handgun bullet (it's listed under handguns, not rifles) is really ideal for the .35 Rem. Long nose and doesn't eat up much of the powder space.

If you cast your own, you can try the RCBS 205gr. FNGC.

Crimp grooves may not line up perfectly, just get a Lee FCD and crimp wherever you need to. Load is a case full of Varget, for either. The RCBS will run a little over 2,000fps, and I've gotten Marshall's "+p" bullet up to 2,300 fps or so.

Have fun and good luck.

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MikeG

I've used .357" hollow point 158gr pills in my 35 Remington with interesting results. 38gr of Re7 over a Win Large Rifle primer gave about 2,400 fps. This is per the Speer reloading manual.

Given that these bullets are intended to expand at about 1,000 fps, they really come apart at rifle velocity. Not something to use for game, other than varmints, of course, but entertaining on water jugs and small trees. I used this load to trim a tree top in the valley below my parents house; two shots completely severed a 6" dia. branch. (Shooting was done down into a very small valley, not up in the air.)

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I'm a huge fan of 30-30 carbine for hunting mulies in the forests and foothills. This dandy buck was taken with Glenfield 30-30. But when it comes to elk for the freezer I invariably chose my .308 from the rack. That being said, I have taken two elk with my son's Marlin 35 and plain Remington core-lockt ammo. He has toppled 3 young bulls and a cow with this same outfit.

I've said it before and will say it agin: 35 Remington kills large animals far better than published tables of numbers would suggest.

75 years ago, Warren Page recommended the 35 for moose and caribou to Canadian hunters. An intelligent modern hunter should ask himself if these animals evolved since then with armor-plating. I think not.

Good hunting to you.
TR

I have had both and I find that the deer don't seem to have a preference for either caliber. They both will drop deer. I would go with the 30-30 simply because I can always find 30-30 ammo and useally it is cheap. This being said, I reload and have much 30-30 brass. Bought out an old hardware store of all their 30-30 for $5.00 a box. They had over 23 boxes of various brands.

A slightly wider, heavier bullet in the .35, with approximately the same velocity as the .30-30. Better? Well, arguably yes, but the practical difference is hard to see. Probably for heavier critters I'd favor the .35. For deer, there's scarcely a nickle's worth of difference.

I've used both the 30-30 and 35 Rem. for deer. Both of my 30-30s like 170 grain Speers and the 35 likes either the 200 PSPCL and 220 Speer. Neither shoots well with the new rubber tipped Hornadys. Overall I'd say I'm most impressed with the 200 gr. Rem. PSPCL. Rarely have deer take more than a few steps with a well placed bullet. That can't be said for my 30-30s.

My 35 loads follow the work done with the 35 Rem. over at Marlinowners. Near MAX doses (Hodgdon data) of H4895 pushing the 200 Rem. or the 220 Speer to about 2400 and 2100 fps respectively.

I don't know much about loading light for caliber bullets in the 35 Rem, but I've tried a few half jacket .357 Speers in 158 grain. Groups were poor using light charges of Unique and WST that were much better at grouping cast bullets including Speer 158 gr. SWCs and some old round nose Shur-X 180s. I've tried faster loads with those cast bullets using RL7 and 4227, but can't get either much past 1700 fps without leading.

Mike G - The BT 180 +P sounds interesting. How do you load it? Any thoughts on how it might work on game?

As much Varget as I can get in the case. Some people find it's a little slow, but I'm using fairly thin Remington brass, and carefully swirling the powder into the case, and compressing about half the length of the neck. That's yielding about 2300fps at the muzzle. I forget what other people are using, check Ranch Dog's posts as is going with a slightly faster powder and a very similar bullet.

It works nothing but great and has just flattened both deer and hogs. The farthest anything went was 8 steps, with blood pouring out of both sides

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Ratltrap

Did you mean to say 2400 fps with H4895 and 200 gr corlokts? What length barrel are you getting that velocity from. I have stuffed just about as much H4895 that I could fit in the 35 rem case and I got real close to 2300 fps (one shot actually went over) but thats it, but that is from a 20" barrel.

Must be a typo. I've chrony'd loads with 39.0 grains of H4895 and got around 2200 fps give or take in a Marlin 336. Hodgdon data lists 38.5 grains as max with the Hornady 200 grainer.

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jb - It's been a while since I worked up that fast 35 Rem. load so I reviewed my range log to see if my memory was right and how the load was put together. Assuming that my cheap Chrony was functional that particular day, the 7 shot H4895 string averaged 2356 fps. Not quite 2400 fps but still very fast. Those loads were shot from a 24" 336A using compressed charges with a heavy crimp from a LEE crimp die. Remington brass - CCI 200 primer.

My hunting load uses a full case of H4895 but isn't compressed. To tell the truth I don't know what velocity it shoots, but plenty fast to make the Coreloct work on deer.

the 30-30 cartidge is:
more available
more loadings
advanced loads available
cheaper..........

So in summary, I say; choose the 35Rem
Its my choice for no more logical reason than it just does!

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