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Old 10-15-2008, 04:45 PM
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I recently bought a used Savage 99 .308 win. 1970's vintage W/ fixed rotary magazine. Put a scope on it and detachable sling swivel posts on the stock and forearm. I gun is throwing the first,cold shot high. When it warms up, it groups.

I took off the forearm and put a couple pieces if bicycle innertube in the front of the forearm where the barrel rests. I screwed the sling swivel back with light to moderate pressure on the screw. The gun has not been shot much, the bore is pristine, just storage scuff marks.


Any of you experienced 99 shooters here have any suggestions on getting the gun to be consistent? If I got it to group under 2 MOA, I'd be happy.
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Old 11-06-2008, 05:29 AM
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Flight 762;
Please accept my apology for for the rude behavior of my fellow posters. Perhaps they, as have I, overlooked your question only by chance.
Finding 2 minuit accuracy in a M99 Sav. is dependant on the luck of the draw. You may not ever get it if you have a bbl that was stressed during the manufacturing process. But I wouldn't give up till I had tried every trick in the book.
There are a couple of areas to look at. 1st, be sure the butt stock is absolutely rock solidly set. Even to the extent of having it glass bedded.
2nd. Contact of the fore end can not be with BOTH the bbl and the receiver. Either separate the FE from the receiver or using a fabricated hanger attached to the receiver to hang the FE to, rather than the FE screw in the bbl.
These ideas are offered based on the presumption that your description of the symptoms exhibited are accurate and consistent. Other accuracy issues such as a dinged crown or incompatible ammo as well as sloppy shooting, would not be the likely cause of your problem.
I love the 99 Sav but have seen some that were very discouraging.
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Old 11-06-2008, 04:51 PM
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"High and wide !", that's what happens from an oily bore....<EOM>
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Old 11-28-2008, 01:32 PM
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You didn't say which model 99 you had. I've been disappointed with the grouping ability of two 99Fs which I attribute to their light, whippy barrels. I recently acquired a 40s vintage 99EG in .300 Savage. This gun can hold just over an inch at 100 yards. In reading many posts on 99s, some owners report poor grouping while others experience very acceptable groups. A complicating issue is that there was a noticeable drop in quality with these guns beginning in 1960.

You may try all the recommended tuneups, experiment with different ammo, make sure your shooting technique is good. By trial and error, you arrive at what the rifle is capable of.
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:23 PM
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My 99 acted pretty much the same when I got it about a dozen years ago. A gunsmith offered the following: Run a couple of dry patches thru it before you shoot. Try older type ammo that was around when the gun was made. I've been shooting 180 gr. Remington Core-Lokt round nose since without a problem. It groups 3" at 100 yards which is fine for hunting. Other people have shot it with smaller groups, though.
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Old 11-28-2008, 06:43 PM
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Also check the crown. a few small dings can really play havoc with grouping. Bullet selection also can make a big difference like tunnels said a heavier bullet may work much better.
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Mine loves Remington factory corelockts...150 gr.
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Old 11-29-2008, 02:23 AM
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I just found the post but I see you have not responded to your initial post either so I don't feel too bad. I have to ask. How well does it group after the initial flier? Is the cold barrel shot group consistant? In hunting the cold barrel 1st round is the only one that counts. Those target shooters get to shoot a fouled warm barrel before thay shoot those little groups.
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:26 AM
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I recently bought a used Savage 99 .308 win. 1970's vintage W/ fixed rotary magazine. Put a scope on it and detachable sling swivel posts on the stock and forearm. I gun is throwing the first,cold shot high. When it warms up, it groups.

I took off the forearm and put a couple pieces if bicycle innertube in the front of the forearm where the barrel rests. I screwed the sling swivel back with light to moderate pressure on the screw. The gun has not been shot much, the bore is pristine, just storage scuff marks.


Any of you experienced 99 shooters here have any suggestions on getting the gun to be consistent? If I got it to group under 2 MOA, I'd be happy.

I owned (2) Savage model 99's, one a takedown, one a solid frame gun, and my relative had another takedown, all 3 were in 300 Savage caliber

take a good close look at the empty brass from the gun, if it exhibits pushed out primers, then the gun has excessive headspace, and the barrel must be cut at the threads, set back, and re-headspaced. Otherwise it will shoot all over the place.

Also the gun will shoot better with handloads on the low side of the pressure scale, rather than newer factory "hot" loads made for modern guns.

The takedown guns as a general rule, are not as accurate as the solid frame guns.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:32 PM
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Flight 762;
Please accept my apology for for the rude behavior of my fellow posters. Perhaps they, as have I, overlooked your question only by chance.
Finding 2 minuit accuracy in a M99 Sav. is dependant on the luck of the draw. You may not ever get it if you have a bbl that was stressed during the manufacturing process. But I wouldn't give up till I had tried every trick in the book.
There are a couple of areas to look at. 1st, be sure the butt stock is absolutely rock solidly set. Even to the extent of having it glass bedded.
2nd. Contact of the fore end can not be with BOTH the bbl and the receiver. Either separate the FE from the receiver or using a fabricated hanger attached to the receiver to hang the FE to, rather than the FE screw in the bbl.
These ideas are offered based on the presumption that your description of the symptoms exhibited are accurate and consistent. Other accuracy issues such as a dinged crown or incompatible ammo as well as sloppy shooting, would not be the likely cause of your problem.
I love the 99 Sav but have seen some that were very discouraging.
Good luck
Pepe Ray
Pepe, I just bought a couple of 99's in 308 and 243. The 308's a C and the 243's an E. Both need some tuning up, I'm sure. But since I haven't fired either one as yet and since I've not owned one before, I was wondering about glass bedding to improve them... I hadn't thought about bedding the action, but that makes sense. What about bedding the forearm? Would that be feasible? From your description, if I understand you, you're saying that the forearm should not touch BOTH the receiver and the FE screw attachment in the forearm? So either float the barrel/ bed it and attach the forearm to the receiver w/ a hanger, or relieve the forearm from the receiver and go ahead and attach the FE screw like the factory? Or bed the forearm either way?
If I sound ignorant about it, it's because I am. But please bear w/ me, I want to make these two into as good a quality firearms as I can...
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:42 PM
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I have owned many Savage 99's over the years. I admire their styling and workmanship along with their design. However I have experenced the same problems as you. As a matter of fact I have had acuracy problems with about every post WWII 99 I have worked with. Most pre wars are extemely accurate. I just worked with a friends 1899 built in 1916. In 250-3000 caliber it was a lightweight take down. With folding tang sight it matched or out preformed modern rifles with scopes. I have since shot it on a few occasions and have never produced a group larger than 1 3/4' AT 100 yards with iron sights.
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I've improved the accuracy of a few Model 99's by removing the forend wood and relieving it a little, where it fits into the front of the receiver, so that no unseen part of the rear of the forend touches the receiver or front of the mag spool axle.

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""Also check the crown. a few small dings can really play havoc with grouping. Bullet selection also can make a big difference like tunnels said a heavier bullet may work much better.""


I suspect yours and mine would shoot a LOT better wih a LIGHTER trigger.. Anyone know of a good 99 triggersmith??
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Try removing the FE and placing a proper size "O" ring around and under the screw, between the forend and the barrel. Tightened my groups considerably.
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