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Old 10-18-2008, 12:33 PM
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Why is my Win 94 30-30 bruising my shoulder?


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I know this sounds stupid, but why is my 1991 Winchester 94 RANGER model 30-30 (short barrel, side eject, no butt pad) bruising my shoulder? I knew it would be a little sharp with the short barrel and the lack of a butt pad, but jeebus. After 5-6 rounds with Hornady Leverlutions, or 20-30 light target lights from wally world, I have a nice mark on my shoulder.

On the other hand, I can shoot my 16" 7.62x39 or my SKS all day long and than some.

I don't get it. I thought maybe I was holding it wrong, so I went to the range today. I made sure I was pulling the rifle tight into my shoulder, and I leaned into it. Still was VERY uncomfortable, and just plain hurt after only a handful of rounds. So I get home, and think maybe I am holding it in the wrong spot. I lift up my shirt, and the bruise is 1.5-2 inches left of my shoulder(Above, and a tad bit the left of my armpit)? I don't get it. Help me out here. I have had to teach myself to shoot, and I am sure I am doing SOMETHING wrong...
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:11 PM
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Welcome to the forum JC. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.

Boy your asking a question lots of folks ask. On the whole those 30-30's kick pretty hard with no recoil pad with factory loads. They have a fairly small butt pad (footprint) which doesn't help. My suggestion is to have a Limbsaver or one of the new recoil pads designed to really cut recoil professionally installed. If that's still to much recoil you can have one of the Mercury recoil reducers (which adds some weight) put in the buttstock.

I've also seen folks have them Magna-ported. Do a Google search on magna-port to see what that entails and the cost. It will cut recoil around 15 percent, but runs well over a hundred bucks.
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:37 PM
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It's lighter than your SKS...tossing a heavier bullet and using more powder...and doesn't have the semi-auto action to spread out the time of recoil.

The cheap solution is to fold up some towling (or an old t-shirt) and put it between the butt stock and your shoulder (keeping the firm shoulder-butt stock tension)....if the guys at the range give you a hard time about the "sissy pad" then put it UNDER your shirt.


Once it gets cold, and you have a nice thick jacket on, you'll not have a problem.
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:50 PM
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I don't care about people at the range giving me grief. I don't shoot to make them happy.

I will give the shirt/towel idea a shot. As far as the coat goes, I had a nice thick sweatshirt on today, still gave me a bruise. I shot it last winter in WV while it was snowing with a nice thick coat on. That was the day I was able to get 20-30 rounds through it before I had to put it down.

As far as the slip-on butt pad goes, that's a really good idea. Any advice on where to buy or a brand? I am a college student, so not a lot of spare loot laying around. I would prefer one with some ammo holders though if at all possible. I wanted to get some sort of cuff to hold a few rounds on the rifle anyway.

I understand its going to kick more than my Saiga or the SKS, I don't have a problem with that, as long as I can ENJOY shooting it. I know its a lever instead of a semi-auto, but I have had a lot of people tell me how easy a 30-30 is on your shoulder and its the perfect deer rifle because you can practice a lot (if you can afford it). I was expecting more than the AK style or sks, but not this much. Every time I ask someone for some advice they all just say "It's only a 30-30, deal with it and get something bigger."

I love the gun, but I can't own something that I don't want to use.
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Old 10-18-2008, 02:30 PM
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I bought myself one of the PAST pads that fits on you kind of like a shoulder holster. It makes shooting these lightweight but hard kicking rifles much more pleasant. You won't need the recoil pad for hunting and the rifle looks better without it.
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Old 10-18-2008, 03:15 PM
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Welcome to the Forums,rubi.
It's a friendly place;we will try to help.
I have a Springfield Trapdoor Carbine that bites me every time that I feed it.
I finally wised up and bought a Past recoil shield.
At first,I wore it under my shirt,but now,I don't care who knows. It works just fine.
My 30/30 Winnie Carbine is also somewhat nippy.I cured it with a nifty recoil pad.
One thing to consider.If you ,unlike me,are tall,with long arms,the stock may be too short for you.That will magnify the kick,plenty.
You have a fine little gun.
Good luck with it
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+1 on the Past pad, they work well. For a slip-on pad I like the Shooters Friend brand. They are very soft but reduce the recoil well. I use it on the 45-70's and the 458 Win Mag.

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Old 10-18-2008, 04:18 PM
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I use one of the Past recoil shields, too. In fact, it's gotten to be such a part of my range routine that I put it on before shooting any center fire off the bench- even varmint rifles.
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Old 10-18-2008, 04:45 PM
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Limbsaver makes a nice slip on pad, they work well.
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Old 10-19-2008, 04:48 AM
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Okay guys, I took a look at the brands you mentioned. The Pact shoulder thing looks nice, but I don't own any other hard hitting firearms right now so that would be kind of a waste. I like the idea of a slip on butt pad for the Win.

The LimbSaver I REALLY like, but I don't know about the 1" LOP difference. I will have to put something an inch thick on the butt stock and see if that is TOO much. I am not horribly tall at 5'11, so the ranger model stock actually fits me pretty well size wise.

I took a look at the Pachmayer (sp?) and I like that too, but I would prefer a no-drill solution. Slip on pads are what I think I need to be looking for.

Are there any slip on pads that reduce a good bit of recoil besides the LimbSaver? What about slip-on butt pads that have a few ammo holders on them? I think I have seen a picture of one in an article somewhere, but I can't remember what it was.

Thanks for everything guys, I don't feel like as much of a noob with my shoulder being torn up... I still am not sure I am holding it in the right place, but at least I don't have a bunch of people telling me 30-30 doesn't kick at all on here. I was beginning to think my rifle was messed up because of all the comments about the 30-30 being a "grown-up .22."
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Old 10-19-2008, 04:53 AM
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Welcome to the Forums,rubi.
It's a friendly place;we will try to help.
I have a Springfield Trapdoor Carbine that bites me every time that I feed it.
I finally wised up and bought a Past recoil shield.
At first,I wore it under my shirt,but now,I don't care who knows. It works just fine.
My 30/30 Winnie Carbine is also somewhat nippy.I cured it with a nifty recoil pad.
One thing to consider.If you ,unlike me,are tall,with long arms,the stock may be too short for you.That will magnify the kick,plenty.
You have a fine little gun.
Good luck with it
Frank
Thank you Mr. Frank. I do love the gun, just hate to shoot it right now A good buddy of mine ran in to some trouble making rent while he was between jobs, he had this rifle in his closet. I was looking for a 30-30, he needed cash, and I couldn't afford anything else he had for sale (never fired milled reciever AK, Uzi semi auto, some sort of AR/AK combination.. can't remember the name, tactical FN shotgun etc.).

Turned out to be a 1991 Win 94 Ranger 30-30, never fired in the original box with all he paper work, a newspaper clipping from the Washington Post about Winchester closing down and the Win 94, and some Winchester 30-30 bullets from 1991. I found one tiny little indentation on the stock.. no other marks on the rifle I paid somewhere around $400 I think.
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Old 10-19-2008, 09:19 AM
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Why are you getting bruised? Because you are a wimp! :-) Just kidding.

The 94 is a light rifle, and the buttstock is skinny and has a lot of drop, typical of rifles designed for use with iron sights. The .30-30 is potent enough that these factors combine into something that can thump you pretty well.

There are a couple of keys to comfort. First, shoot from the most upright position you can. Any gun wallops you harder off the bench than it does when fired offhand. Shooting for accuracy requires some sort of rest, and for that reason I really prefer to shoot from a stand-up bench when I can -- even real heavy hitters get easier to handle. If you can't stand, at least sit up as straight as possible so your upper body can absorb the recoil instead of blocking it.

Second, with such stocks getting the butt placed precisely and firmly into the "pocket" of the shoulder is critical. A bit high or low, left or right, and that butt is hitting not soft flesh but bone. I practice mounting a rifle to my shoulder endlessly, and hitting the right spot is habit for me -- but still at times when a quick shot is needed, I find myself saying "Owie!" afterwards when I failed to hit the pocket exactly right.
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Old 10-19-2008, 03:28 PM
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Don't feel bad. My .35 Rem, hardly a bruiser, kicks the crap out of me. Partly due to stock design and partly due to the gun being fairly light.

I put a thin recoil pad on it with no regrets.
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You may be able to remove the existing butt plate before putting on the slip over recoil pad to reduce the net LOP.

I just cut off 1.25" (plus the thickness of the buttplate) on my daughters 30-30 Marlin and installed a Pachmyer F325 1" thick recoil pad. The pad cost like $20 and cutting it cost nothing but some nervousness on my part using a sharp chop saw. Grinding the pad to fit took a long time and took patience but no money.

I forgot to measure the net reduction in the LOP. But I believe it is between 1/4 and 1/2 inch. But I desired a shorter LOP. In your case cut off the net amount.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:24 PM
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I would go shooting my Mosin-Nagants and after 15 rounds i was done! i got a shoulder recoil pad for shotguns and i use that when i go shooting my Mosin-Nagants works nice and it was cheep!!
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:52 PM
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I know this sounds stupid, but why is my 1991 Winchester 94 RANGER model 30-30 (short barrel, side eject, no butt pad) bruising my shoulder? I knew it would be a little sharp with the short barrel and the lack of a butt pad, but jeebus. After 5-6 rounds with Hornady Leverlutions, or 20-30 light target lights from wally world, I have a nice mark on my shoulder.

On the other hand, I can shoot my 16" 7.62x39 or my SKS all day long and than some.

I don't get it. I thought maybe I was holding it wrong, so I went to the range today. I made sure I was pulling the rifle tight into my shoulder, and I leaned into it. Still was VERY uncomfortable, and just plain hurt after only a handful of rounds. So I get home, and think maybe I am holding it in the wrong spot. I lift up my shirt, and the bruise is 1.5-2 inches left of my shoulder(Above, and a tad bit the left of my armpit)? I don't get it. Help me out here. I have had to teach myself to shoot, and I am sure I am doing SOMETHING wrong...
If you have a soft gun case drape that over your shoulder it will cushion the recoil from your 30-30.
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:18 PM
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I can highly recommend the Limbsaver pad. I bought a Marlin .444, it has a thin rubber and steel pad that I didn't even want to shoot. I've put both the Pachmayr Decelerator and the Limbsaver on a lot of guns and they are both very good pads. I put the Limbsaver on the Marlin and it is a joy to shoot.

The slip on pads will discolor your stock, thats why I won't use them.
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One thing you might do is check for a crack in the stock. I had a shotgun that suddenly started kicking like a mule and that's what it turned out to be. And it wasn't a big obvious crack either.

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A combination of physics and physiology cause this!!!
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