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Old 03-20-2009, 06:14 AM
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I am trying to find if there is a lever action rifle that will fire the 9mm pistol round......

am new to lever actions but being the same calibre as my handgun would mean only one type of ammo....

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Old 03-20-2009, 06:47 AM
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Welcome. Never heard of one but doesn't mean they aren't available, somewhere. Certainly not a common item though.
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Old 03-20-2009, 02:04 PM
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Sorry, but you won't find one. You won't find the 9mm or .45 for two reasons. First tricky feeding problems from the short rounds, but that can be overcome, at least in a few .45 customs. The second is the potential liability issue (no matter how remote) of building a tube fed arm that someone might load with hardball ammo. While recoil would likely never cause a problem, dropping it or rough handling could have the potential to set off rounds in the magazine from the hard nosed ammo resting against a primer. I understand since I'd love one in ACP.
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The other reason you'd not get much more benefit of the longer barrel using 9mm as the small powder charge can't use the length to any advantage. Just look the the 45 ACP in carbines very little was gained in there use in longer barrels. That was until the Thompson and a change in the powder used for that weapon! The 9mm case compacity will not allow for slower powder use.
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Old 03-23-2009, 03:28 AM
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basically the intended use is for a low power cheap round for practical rifle and a bit of fun ....the extra power or range factor isnt really a factor
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:36 AM
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Get a Marlin M-94 in .357 mag. Then get a .357 revolver to go with it. Both guns can then shoot .38 special as well as the magnum rounds and you have a great variety of factory loaded ammo to choose from.
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:39 PM
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The other reason you'd not get much more benefit of the longer barrel using 9mm as the small powder charge can't use the length to any advantage. Just look the the 45 ACP in carbines very little was gained in there use in longer barrels. That was until the Thompson and a chance in the powder used for that weapon! The 9mm case compacity will not allow for slower powder use.
Actually, this isn't quite true. I'm big into rifles that shoot handgun cartridges, and I handload and chronograph my loads to see what the change in velocity is. You can gain about 100 to 150 fps of velocity, with the right powders, in a rifle/carbine length barrel. If we were talking about a proper rifle round, 100 fps wouldn't really be a big deal. But, 100 to 150 fps could be a 10% increase in velocity with 9mm Luger.
With the wrong powders, you can actually *lose* velocity in comparison to a handgun, though.

Tazmanian: Sadly, I'll have to say that I've never once heard of a lever-action 9mm Luger, and believe me, if it was around, I'd be one of the first to have heard of it.
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Old 03-23-2009, 05:28 PM
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there orta be some of the old Ruger Camp Carbines around....they used to make one in 9mm .... they weren't a lever tho, they were autos.... if I remember right that is......always wondered how one of those would do if made into a 9X21 ......
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Ruger doesn't make the PC9s anymore, but they are around.

9x21 or 38 Super Comp would be a very fun little rifle.
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:43 PM
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Hi-point makes a 9mm auto carbine for under $250 and it gets great reviews believe it or not. Not a lever but something to think about. Dave
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Having played with a friend's Hi-Point .40 for about 500 rounds, I can say they are a surprisingly accurate and functional carbine. While homely, they are a lot of ordinance for the money and far easier to find than a Marlin Camp Carbine or a Ruger PC9.
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Some Winchester model 92s were converted bu Mexican and South American Police Agenciies to fire 9mm and .45 ACP. I gather that neither were particularly successful, although a few .45 SCP guns have found their way to the States. Cartridge feed issues were the main problems with such conversions.
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Not in 9mm! Look at the MP9 ETC, they don't gain much at all over a full sized 9mm. They do have a better site plain though. The 45 ACP has alot more case capacity over the 9mm as they are stuffed full! Using slower powders does nothing to impoved the 9mm where as you can use slower powders in the 45 acp to get alot bettere performance in a carbine ie Thompson! We're talking Semi-auto cartridges not revolver!
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IIRC, The El Tigre, a model 1892 clone, was made in 45 ACP. A 9mm lever gun could be made if it had a box magazine. A Sten gun mag would be good. The +P+ 9mm ammo picks up a bit of power in a 10 inch or over barrel. The CorBon 115 gr is reported to go 1400 to 1500 fps from a 16 inch barrel. I got 1440 fps from my Marlin Camp Carbine. Thats 357 magnum territory.
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Old 03-27-2009, 06:08 AM
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I know in the UK the Brits converted Ruger Lever actions from 44 Mag to 45 ACP and used M3 Grease gun mags in them. They did that when semi autos where banned I guess for the firepower, also saw BLRs coverted to use M14 mags.
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Old 03-31-2009, 08:33 PM
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Marlin "Camp Gun"

Marlin made a semi-auto "Camp Gun" in 9mm Caliber. It was a carbine lenght "rifle". It took standard pistol magazines. (They also made a .45 Cal.) I do not know if they still make them.
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Ive got a marlin camp carbine in 9mm. it is a great little rifle for target shooting in the back yard. it functions flawlessly, time after time.
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Not in 9mm! Look at the MP9 ETC, they don't gain much at all over a full sized 9mm. They do have a better site plain though. The 45 ACP has alot more case capacity over the 9mm as they are stuffed full! Using slower powders does nothing to impoved the 9mm where as you can use slower powders in the 45 acp to get alot bettere performance in a carbine ie Thompson! We're talking Semi-auto cartridges not revolver!
Actually, my statements are based on a set of chronometer tests done between my Ruger PC9 and Ruger P95. There was an increase in velocity with all of the loads I made for those tests.
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Sorry, but you won't find one. You won't find the 9mm or .45 for two reasons. First tricky feeding problems from the short rounds, but that can be overcome, at least in a few .45 customs. The second is the potential liability issue (no matter how remote) of building a tube fed arm that someone might load with hardball ammo. While recoil would likely never cause a problem, dropping it or rough handling could have the potential to set off rounds in the magazine from the hard nosed ammo resting against a primer. I understand since I'd love one in ACP.

I think reliable headspacing might be another issue. No rim-no shoulder!!
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Bob, headspace would be no more of a problem than in any handgun barrel. Both rounds headspace on the case mouth in a properly cut chamber. If your chamber is not properly cut, you have not hired a true gunsmith.
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