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Old 04-21-2009, 12:43 PM
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Everyone, I would like your knowledge on a factory 30-30 round that you can hunt coyotes, woodchucks and allround varmints with. 150 grainers are just too hard hitting and they tare up too much fur. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:16 PM
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remington used to offer some 22cal.sabot rounds for the 3030 might want to check there website
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:38 PM
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I don't think there are any commercial 30-30 ball loads, but there is some interesting 30-30 ammo that you might look at.
  • First, Remington does a "Managed Recoil" round with a 125 gr. PSPCL that starts 600 ft.lbs. less than their 150 gr. offering. Zeroed at 150 yds. it's 5.2" low at 200 yds. - limited range for chucks.
  • They also make an "Accelerator" round with a 55 gr. .22 sabot that starts 500 ft.lbs. less than the 150 gr. offering. Zeroed at 200 yds. it's 3.5" low at 250 yds. That may not be enough pop for 'yotes but might make a smaller hole in your other skinning critters.
  • Finally, you could try the Federal cartridge based on the Nosler Partition. Partitions may be hard enough to limit expansion at range.
I suspect that you have to load those pointed Remington bullets singly in a tubular magazine or one in the chamber and one in the magazine.
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:53 PM
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If you want to keep the fur, I suspect that a .30-30 is going to be too much gun unless you handload. If so, my thought would be to try the lightest hollowpoint you can find, and see how it works.

I haven't seen the Accelerator rounds in a long time.

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If you are willing to make a two shooter out of your lever gun, if that is what you are shooting, you can load Speer 100 and 110 gr SP bullets. You shouldn't put more than one in the magazine. Alliant shows using RL7 to push these bullets to 2700. Should be good medicine on yotes.
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Why not simply reload for it or have someone else who reloads the cartridge do it for you?

You might want to check out the threads on this site related to .30-30 ammo. Also, please check out the following:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3030varmint.htm
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3030again.htm
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/pa...ll_charges.htm
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/ta...del94_3030.htm
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Barnes makes a 110 grain TSX in .308 caliber. Might be able to make that work out.
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Old 05-14-2009, 01:02 AM
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I suspect the 30 carbine bullets at 110 might work as a fur gun or you could try using 30 luger/30 tokarev ones which are 93 grains? Full metel jacket at a moderate velocity sounds like it would work. I suspect more the issue is the accuracy of most 30/30 lever actions. Hitting the small animals might be more of an issue. Good luck.
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Old 05-14-2009, 01:03 AM
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yes forgot about the tube mags. Best use two at a time. One in chamber and one in mag. Don't want a chain fire ruining your day or life.
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Old 05-14-2009, 01:57 AM
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If you are willing to make a two shooter out of your lever gun, if that is what you are shooting, you can load Speer 100 and 110 gr SP bullets. You shouldn't put more than one in the magazine. Alliant shows using RL7 to push these bullets to 2700. Should be good medicine on yotes.
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I load these too, and have used them on Feral dogs, bunnies, a very lonesome turkey, and any other 'smaller game' that wandered into the site plane.

Recoil and report are low, and these rounds are great for teaching a kid to shoot a 'bigger' rifle.
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If he's limited to factory ammo, as he said, the choices are slim - and in today's world of empty shelves, probably slimmer than slim.

Starting to reload isn't much help because THOSE shelves are bare, too.

To discuss it in general, however: Lighter bullets at faster speeds aren't very fur friendly in any .30-caliber gun. Heavier, stouter bullets can be better, paradoxically. Cast bullets might be the way to go here, if a friendly and trusted reloader can be found. Cast bullets in the .30-30 don't expand violently, normally punching a dime-sized hole all the way through from any angle. They can be launched at 2000 fps or so if gas-checked, giving near-normal trajectory.

If truly limited to factory stuff, however, regular 170-gr loads might be the best of a not very good situation.
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There are also a number of different companies making insert cartridges that allow smaller cartridges to be used in larger chambers. Some use standard ammo and some use .22 blanks/power cartridges to propel round balls.

http://www3.telus.net/gamegetter/
http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm
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Yep cast bullets are the way to go, I use the Lee 113gr for my light varmit load and the Lee 150 gr bullet for just about everything else! Both can be GC'd or shot with light pistol powder loads unchecked!
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I just worked these two out for a recent 30-30 I bought 77 336RC Marlin. The 110s were round nose soft pts. In the past I have shot fmj round nose 110s with equal accuracy, kind of high velocity in these loads causing hydraulic shock. I have shot some good groups using 10.5 gns of Unique and the 110gn round nose. 18gns of W296 shot well also.
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Everyone, I would like your knowledge on a factory 30-30 round that you can hunt coyotes, woodchucks and allround varmints with. 150 grainers are just too hard hitting and they tare up too much fur. Any help would be appreciated.

Try Winchester Silvertip in 170 grain. Pokes holes without expanding on small critters. Much less expansion than regular lead bullets.
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I found that loading 30 WCF with 30.5 grains of IMR 4064 under a 125 g Sierra FNHP makes my 336 a different rifle. It is accurate to a fault, shoots flat and will drop a song dog like a brick hit him in the head. My daughter was hitting plastic soda bottles full of water at 150 yards with iron sights (Williams 5D) using this load and rig. I crimp using a Lee factory crimp die.
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