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Old 08-14-2010, 05:18 PM
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i am a teenager and recently aquired a marlin 1892 form my grandfather in what appears to be .32 but i do not know which .32 caliber cartridge it uses, could someone help me find out how to determin that? what i do know is that is rimfire i belive after i took the firing pin out and looked at it. i am also wondering if i should even shoot it because of price value? i have seen this gun go anywere from 250-3800 dollars? i know for a fact it is not in the greatest shape but everything is in working condition i think, the action works, the feeder works, etc. i also wanted to know if i should buy the CF firing pin if i decide to shoot it? last but not least where might i find amo for i do not plan on buying reloading equipment. ???


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Old 08-15-2010, 08:00 AM
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Try the Old Western Scrounger for ammo -

http://www.ows-ammo.com/catalog/

It won't be cheap. There may be other runs of specialty .32 rimfire cartridges, but you'll probably have to spend a little time with your favorite search engine. I don't personally know if your rifle is a .32 short, long, or anything else (sorry).

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Old 08-15-2010, 08:00 AM
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Conner,
Since the rifle has probably been fired before, making it talk once again will not hurt its value. Winchester is the only company that I know that makes ammunition that would fit your rifle. It is centerfire ammo so you would need to get the centerfire firing pin.
Since it is considered handgun ammo, in some states folks must be 21 years old to purchase.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=813489

center fire firing pin: part 33G
http://www.wisnersinc.com/rifles/marlin/rflever.htm

Your rifle is likely chambered for 32 Long Colt for which ammunition has not been made since about 1980 but the 32 Short will work in your rifle just like the 22 short works in a 22 rifle chambered for the 22 long rifle.

Here is a source for 32 Long Colt ammo but it is a bit expensive....
http://www.rtgammo.com/
click on "Obsolete ammunition" and scroll down to the Western 82 Gr Lubaloy box


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John Kort said everything I would have said.
But I'll add:

If your rifle has a rimfire firing pin, you're temporarily out of luck. No one has offered .32 rimfire ammo for some time. Old Western Scrounger had it about 10 years or more ago. Navy Arms offered it about 20 years ago. Both offered .32 rimfire ammo made in Brazil. Apparently, the munitions plant in Brazil is no longer making it, or exporting it, because I've searched for a modern source and still can't find it.

If you rifle has the rimfire firing pin, the little nub in the face of the bolt, that functioins as the firing pin, will be on the side of the circle worn on the bolt face. If your rifle has a centerfire firing pin, it will be in the center.

If your rifle has a centefire firing pin, you're in luck.
Winchester still makes .32 Short Colt ammo, which will fit in your rifle. It may not feed well from the magazine. Mine does, but I've heard that some Marlins balk at cycling .32 Short Colt ammo. You won't know until you try (at the range, with the rifle safely pointed downrange).
Figure on spending $30 to $40 for a box of 50 newly made Winchester .32 Short Colt cartridges. I lucked out a few years ago and found two boxes at $20 apiece, but that was on a discount table. Perhaps you'll be lucky too. Large sporting good stores with a large variety of ammo like Cabela's, Gander Mountain and Sportsman's Warehouse might have it.

If you don't have the centerfire firing pin, Wisner's sells them for the Marlin 92 for $22. Go to http://www.wisnersinc.com/rifles/marlin/rflever.htm

Save the empty cases. Even if you don't plan to reload now, you may later.
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I found one of these guns at my Gander mtn. and i need to know i cal. for it =-I








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Go back and re-read my original post. The required ammo is covered in depth in that, and in following posts.

But, to be succinct:

.32 Long Colt (not made since the late 1970s or early 1980s).
.32 Short Colt (made in occasional runs by Winchester. Search the internet for it, or you may find it at large sporting goods stores).

Your Marlin 1892 will NOT fire:

.32 S&W Wesson Long
.32 Colt New Police
.32 Smith & Wesson
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Copied from another Thread:
My further reading brought me to this website:
"http://www.cartridge-corner.com/welc...me.htm"
Which has some measurements on the obsolete Rimfire cartridges.

Caliber:Rim Dia.:Base Dia.:Neck Dia.:C.L.:Cart.L.:Type:Year
25 Stevens Short:0.334":0.276":0.276":0.599":0.884":A:1902
25 Stevens Long :0.335":0.277":0.277":1.12" :0.469":A:1890

32 BB Cap :0.368":0.317":0.317":0.372":0.575":A: -
32 Extra Short :0.368":0.316":0.316":0.390":0.645":A:1871
32 Short :0.370":0.318":0.318":0.547":0.932":A:1860
32 Long :0.378":0.319":0.319":0.797":1.208":A:1861
32 Long Rifle :0.375":0.318":0.318":0.938":1.216":A:1900
32 Extra Long :0.378":0.318":0.318":1.18" :1.58" :A:1869
32 Swiss Special:0.378":0.319":0.319":0.713": - :A: -
NOTE: A= Straight body case.

This site has much other information on Center fire, rim fire and many other types of cartridges, it seems to be a useful research site.

There certainly were a number of 32 RF cartridges around in the late 1880s to 1920s to choose from.
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:36 PM
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There is a Gentleman that occasionally posts auctions on Gun Broker com and has .32 Long colt cases, resized from .32 S&W Long, for sale in 20 Case lots. He also lists suitable Cast Lead bullets as auctions.

Accurate Molds will make molds for suitable bullets, and has three styles listed in their on line catalog, the one that is heeled with an inside lube groove is probably the best choice for your Rifle, it was developed by a Marlin 1892 owner who wanted good, accurate, and clean bullet to fit it. He states he can reuse the Cases without resizing and the bullet will load quite well.

NEI Handtool com also lists suitable bullet molds and also offer to customize a given design if you want something lime a slightly heavier cast bul;let or a heel added to a flat base design.

Hollywood Engineering in Sun Valley, CA also lists a two die set for .32 Long Colt in their 2013 current products list at $60.00 a set.

Both of he above seem to be accepting Custom Orders and have reasonable delivery times and prices.

So far I have only found two other companies cataloging .32 Long colt Reloading dies, CH-4D and Redding, and both are 'special Order'.

Most States now restrict a minor from purchasing Ammunition directly, and also Powder and Primers, but I believe there are no restrictions on tools, empty cases, and Scrap Wheel Weights or even Lead ingot from a Metals Supplier. If I am mistaken, someone more knowledgeable please correct me, In any case, your parents may get the items for you if they desire.

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Today I ran across another web site that talks about getting old .32 Long RF firearms shooting again, using custom made brass conversion cartridges and .27 Green Powder tool loads to obtain the primer and propellant set. he also talks of using just the primed blank to ignite Black Powder charges in the conversion cartridges. there is a video at the end showing him firing his .32 Long RF revolver using these loads.

Reloading 32 rimfire

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Old 08-17-2013, 01:37 PM
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chevwilliam,
Thank you for resurrecting this thread on the classic Marlin .32 Colt and for the additional information.

There is a somewhat extensive thread on the .32 Colt here which has additional information on the Accurate bullet you referenced and a new bullet for the .78" case along with some targets.
.32 Long Colt ,Need Help

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John Kort,
Thank you for the link to the .32 Long colt discussion on CASS site. It pushed me to Join the group.
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Tuesday, September 10th, 2013 and an update on my projects progress:

I have ordered or purchased a total of 300 each .22 Hornet empty brass and am in the process of forming them into parent cases for my extended length .25ACP experiments.
I currently have some samples finish formed and trimmed to three of the Experimental case lengths.

I have ordered and sent check for an additional 83 .32 Long Colt empty cases formed from .32 S&W Long Brass.

I now have reloading dies for the .32 Long Colt, with the sizing die a carbide insert type that was custom ground to match the needs of my barrel and chamber.

The on hand, 18 each, of .32LC I had are now trimmed to between .912" and .914" and have been primed in anticipation of receiving some usable inside lube heeled 90gr bullets promised near the end of the month.
The mouth belling step is waiting receipt of the bullets to see just what minimum I can get away with without problems in loading cartridges.

All my Stevens Favorite action parts and barrels are now with the Gunsmith for inspection and fitting. I have received a Butt Stock partial inletted blank to be fitted to one of the actions eventually, that will wait until they are returned by the Gunsmith. The one Butt Stock I received with the actions is in the process ov being refinished, it was in 'sorry' shape and in preparing it I found it is apparently Oak, so it will get an oil Walnut stain and Oil finish. The forearm is going ot be refinished with Oil also, but it appears to be Walnut to begin with.

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I checked what the Black Powder (BP) capacity of my (.912" to .914" case length) .32 Long Colt cases is.
It turns out that level full to the rim they hold about 11.7 grains of loose fffg GOEX; and if space is left to seat on of the heeled bullets without compression, they hold about 10.7 grains of loose fffg BP.

I would surmise that around 11.0 grains would fit with some compression, and perhaps slightly more with heavy compression.

Reportedly, the .32 Long RF originally had 18 grains of BP and the .32 Long Colt CF had 12 grains of BP. I guess the RF round gets its extra capacity from not having a separate primer and the CF round may have been a "Balloon Case" design.

Something to think about for the future.

I did load a few of the .32 Long colt cases with 10 grains of fffg Black Powder and seated some "299153" outside lubed Cast RN bullets I have from Jack Harrison. These will be used in a Stevens Favorite in .32 Long RF converted to CF when I get it back from my Gunsmith.

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Today my gunsmith and i tried some of my .32 Long Colt cartridges in my .32 Long RF barrel chamber and found some 'problems' with them as assembled.
The bullet measures .318" to .319" diameter over the driving bands, which is larger than my chamber at the front, so the cartridges would not go into the chamber more than about 1/3.
Running them through the .32 sizing die made the bullets the same size as the cases, and they went further into the chamber, but not all the way. Measuring with a Dial Caliper, I found that the cartridges stop between .080" and .088" 'proud' of flush with the Barrel Breech face.
The existing loaded cartridges were then run into the .32 long colt crimp die and came out with the bullet drive band diameter reduced to about .298", which allowed the cartridges to fully seat flush with the Barrel Breech face.
This means that my measurements of the bullet drive section length was in error.
Doing the calculations, it seems that a maximum trim length of .826" or less will allow this, "299153" bullet to seat in my barrel's chamber, but to allow for any variations, I think I will be trimming to between .810" and .818" to leave some margin.
I will not be trimming the majority of my cases until I can see how the "31-090A" bullet works out with my chamber.

I realize that the 'undersized' bullets now will shoot less than optimally, but for my Gunsmiths purposes they will do.

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Today I received in the mail a new .30 Carbine Collet Factory Crimp Die.

I set it up in my press as an experiment to see if it would crimp a .32 Long Colt case.
Using a 'spacer pin' after setting the die to "two Block" close the slots in the collet with some overpressure, I found that a .3165" diameter case is reduced to between .308" and .310" at he tightest point of the crimp.
The crimp seems to be a four fold symmetry as a result of the different cartridge and the pushing it to "two Block" the slots.

I surmise that this is a viable alternate method for crimping .32 Long Colt /.32 Long Rf cases on heeled bullets.

I also received push through bullet sizing dies for .38" and .314" size.
I have not tried them yet.

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I have received some sample "31-090A" bullets sized to be appropriate for my barrel dimensions and have loaded one in an empty case to check it in the Chamber at my Gunsmiths shop. It went into the chamber and seated flush with Heavy Thumb Pressure. When extracted form the chamber there were slight rifling start marks on the bullet nose just forward of the Driving band. I think this bullet will fit my barrel and Chamber very well.

I received the Modified Collet 'Factory Crimp Die' for .32 Colt I ordered form "Old West Bullet Moulds" today, both the short and the long are covered as it is adjustable. The shell holder has a Threaded stem that is held at adjustment by a set screw. the 'kit' came in a molded box along with the Allen wrench to do the adjustments with and three different sample bullets for me to review.

All in All it looks very nicely made and is a Very Good application of ingenuity to overcome a lack of Lee's producing it in the first place,
The Crimp Die itself appears to be of Lee's manufacturer.

I will Recommend this die modification to any who wish to crimp .32 Colt cartridges.

The owner also sent samples of three different .32 Colt Bullets to review and I think at least one will also be suitable for my Barrel.

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My projects are progressing slowly.

My Stevens Actions are stil in the process of upgrading the Screws and pins.

I have purchased an "Accurate Mold" 5 cavity mold in "311090A" and shipped it to "Matt's Bullets to have bullets cast. I have given Mat permission to sell bullets cast form this mold to others.

Barrels are still being evaluated for use with .32 Long Colt and Stevens Actions. My latest two purchases are a 28-1/8' by 1-1/4" Shelin Match Grade Stainless Steel barrel blank of .308" caliber and a 1885 Winchester Octagon Barrel chambered in .32 Short.

I am hoping for at least one of my Stevens actions to be ready this Spring so I can start my testing.

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chevwilliam,
Than you for the updates on your projects. Hope they all work out great!

That was very kind of you to purchase a mold and send it to a commercial caster and allow him to offer that bullet to other .32 L.C. enthusiasts.
That bullet works really well in my rifle!

http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_...=31-090A-D.png

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chevwilliam,
Than you for the updates on your projects. Hope they all work out great!

That was very kind of you to purchase a mold and send it to a commercial caster and allow him to offer that bullet to other .32 L.C. enthusiasts.
That bullet works really well in my rifle!

http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_...=31-090A-D.png

John
Thank you, John, for the kind words. I learned long ago that it is good to 'pass forward kindness given".
As an added benefit it was less expensive than starting up to Cast Lead from Scratch.
Sometime in January I hope to receive my first 500 bullets from Matt's Bullets. But I still do not have a Firm Commitment as to when I will get one of my Actions back from my Gunsmith in upgraded condition and ready to shoot.
Of course his normal income needs to come first, my 'low dollar' project is a secondary item for him.

His Shop got in a Stevens 44-1/2 in .22LR complete with Scope sight and has it listed for sale at $1900.00, I am Drooling but I don't hav ethe finances to buy it now and it may be gone soon.

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rimfire ammo

Regarding rimfire .32 Long Colt ammo, if one has center fire cases, they can be modified as this thread shows. Very interesting!

reloadable .32 rimfire brass

A .22 rimfire case in the center of a modified .32 LC centerfire case works very well.
See page 3.


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