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Old 01-06-2010, 11:50 AM
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Question Mossberg 30-30 Lever (464) for pig hunting


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I am in northern California and just bought a new Mossberg 464 (30-30 lever action) to be used mostly for pig hunting in the NW Sonoma hills. Its my first gun for 25yrs, I grew up around guns and hunting (Ozark Mountains mostly) but city life has taken me away for a few decades...

I want to ask for advice on sights. I'm doing basically two 'kinds' of pig hunting.... hiking the hills, scaring them up and getting quick shots off in the 25 to maybe 75yrd range, and stationary shots in the 75-150yrd range (topograhpy and cover means I'll rarely have a shot of 200+yrds). I'll probably take a deer or two, but mostly I am looking for pigs. Many of the shots will be in low light situations, the pigs are most active right at/before dawn and at/after dusk.

I'm inclined NOT to go the route of a scope, I bought the 30-30 for its ease of handling while hiking (plus its other attributes as a great hunting rifle), and I'd rather avoid the balance shift of side mounting b/c of the top eject. BUT, I am wondering if upgrading to something like a Williams FP receiver sight with a fiber optic bead would help me bring home the bacon. 100-150yrds I definitely would rather have a scope than the stock sights (especially in low light), but I dont really want to put a scope on this gun.

The top/back of the receiver looks like its pre-drilled with two screw holes (two more in front above the chamber). Does anyone have experience to share and/or advice? In general or specifically about the Mossberg 464?

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Old 01-06-2010, 12:36 PM
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Sir, that rifle is machined toaccept a scope with no problems. Buy mounts for it and apply a fixed 4 power and you are gold. Ejection will never be a problem. It is a new design that only looks like a 94, good luck.
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Old 01-06-2010, 07:38 PM
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Thanks, I may consider scoping it even though it wasnt my intention in getting the gun. It sure would help with the 100yrd or low light shots. I've had a bad experience with scopes in terms of being able to get the target in the sight quick, when I scare up the pigs, I dont have much time to sight them. If you have any suggestions as to a good 4x fixed that is quick to sight, durable etc.

Anyway, thanks, appreciate the thoughts. If there are any other opinions/thoughts out there, love to hear them.

Thanks again.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:24 PM
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I'd check with Williams and get a reciever sight and the right front sight. Everyone is different, some like the ivory, some gold beads and some the fire sights. If you want a fast close range sight I would experiment with a larger than normal brass or gold bead and after sighting in the gun turn out the aperture and store it away and you will have an amazingly fast and accurate close range sight. Just my two cents.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:28 PM
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Fiber optic front works well in low light, and you may be shooting pigs on the edge of darkness. I'd look into that.

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Old 01-07-2010, 02:28 AM
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If you want a fast sight that would be easily visible in low light, take a look at a holo style red dot. Here is a link to the one I have on my 10" Ruger MKII 22 LR. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=737930
It's very small, and weighs almost nothing.
I have never been a fan of putting a scope on a lever gun because I think it totally ruins the look and the handiness of the gun. I have been a fan of peep sights though, but a peep is not much help in low light, although it's a little better than open sights IMO. Here is a solution that is not much bigger than a peep sight, and will help in low light, although it will not provide any magnification.
Some of the other advantages over a scope are no parallax, unlimited eye relief, and being able to keep both eyes open for a natural sight picture. The picture through the sight does not need to be centered. The bullet goes where the red dot is, and it's fast!Faster than open sights, and MUCH faster than a scope IMO.
Just another option for you. Let us know what you decide and I want to hear all about that Mossberg. They look like a nice enough rifle, but I haven't seen a lot about them. Good luck, and welcome to the forum!
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Old 01-07-2010, 07:02 AM
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My vote goes for a low powered scope, such as a Weaver V3, mounted as low as possible in removable type rings (QD). The low light performance is far superior to any other system, including any red dot sight I've ever used. Also, the holo or typical red dots tend to fog very easily in any kind of moist air, to include simple mist or fog. If the weather is really bad, hard rain, etc., the QD mounts allow you to revert to the stock irons if that occurs. My Marlins' irons are still visible above a Weaver type base that's installed, when the scope is removed. I do not recommend see-through mounts as they are way too high for good scope use, IMO.
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If you truly want the gun to be able to accurately place those 150 yard shots, I would suggest going with a low power fixed or 1-4x, like cvc944 said. Very rarely would it be a liability and a real benefit, for the longer shots at stationary targets.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:29 AM
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Thanks again guys. I am warming to the idea of a low powered scope.

I have seen the following:
http://www.natchezss.com/Category.cf...hotgun%20Scope

which says its for a shotgun, but its lighter and a full 2" shorter than the K4 (with bigger eye relief). It seems like a good deal ($80 for a $245 scope), but is there any reason I dont want to go with something thats 'designed' for a shotgun, or other reasons I dont want this scope in particular? I'd probably be going with QD mounts...
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:41 PM
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I see the Weaver V3 has a 20mm objective... I am assuming a 30mm+ objective would let in significantly more light at the edges of daylight, yes? Is there a good 1-4x thats light, small-ish and would be great for marginal light situations?

Thanks for bearing with my rookie questions...
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Old 01-07-2010, 06:35 PM
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Thanks again guys. I am warming to the idea of a low powered scope.

I have seen the following:
http://www.natchezss.com/Category.cf...hotgun%20Scope

which says its for a shotgun, but its lighter and a full 2" shorter than the K4 (with bigger eye relief). It seems like a good deal ($80 for a $245 scope), but is there any reason I dont want to go with something thats 'designed' for a shotgun, or other reasons I dont want this scope in particular? I'd probably be going with QD mounts...
I actually own this scope, bought at this price. It's a very nice scope. I do not believe you would find any difference in brightness with a scope of 1-3X with a 20mm objective, vs 32mm objective with 4x. There is a formula to tell you what the max allowable brightness factor would be. Both these scope types could give at least the max number useable by your eye. The true quality is in the glass itself and the coatings applied. I'd check first on the mounting measurements. A 20mm scope gives max latitude for mounting. The Weaver 4x SG is a short scope and, with it's 32mm objective could create a problem there. Both are very nice scopes.
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The pupil of the human eye can expand to roughly 5mm. If you divide the objective lens of a given scope by the highest possible power setting (in this case 20/4) and that number exceeds 5mm, the amount of light gathered is greater than you really need. Now, all of that assumes perfect glass and 100% transfer of light, which you will never get, but that equation is still very practical for determining what size objective lens you should look for. The 30mm objective would not be worth the trouble of higher mounts, if that's what it comes to, but the real test is what you see when looking through both of them. I have never bought a scope I hadn't personally looked through, previously.
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:58 AM
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Thanks much again. I have read somewhere else that the eye can get to 7-9mm in low lighting situations, so I guess that would suggest some benefit to the 32mm. Currently looking at the Weaver 1.5-5x32, will see if I can hunt one down locally and get a peep through. Thanks again!
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Old 01-08-2010, 08:43 AM
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... it looks like Simmons does a 1.5-5x32 that seems very similar to the Weaver, and its a fair bit less expensive. Any experience or advice for/against Weaver vs Simmons? Weaver seems to be generally well thought of (from what I can find on the net) but I cant find as much about Simmons.

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I'm sure there are Simmons fans out there and that they have had good service from their scopes. I have had occasion to have a Simmons scope (Whitetail Classic) fail and have since retired all Simmons scopes from my collection. I do have and use older and newer model Weavers, with good luck.
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:58 PM
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Thanks very much, I'll see if I can get my hands on a Weaver and report back.

Thanks again, everyone, for your advice and help!
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:31 AM
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mossberg 30-30

I have the 464 and think it is great. I had a scope on it but felt it took away from the nostalgic look of it. I am not happy with the rear sight. but Skinner Sights has a peep sight that will mount in the pre drilled scope mount holes and will be coming out with an elevation and windage adjustable sight shortly.
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:28 PM
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I've hunted feral hogs for years in the North Bay Napa/Sonoma area using a .30-30. It works as good as many others. I don't see many jump back up and run away if I place my shots correctly. Good luck!
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