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Old 01-26-2010, 11:34 PM
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Wink I could really use some old school advice on a new project! Suppressed lever gun!


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Hello every one, I've been lurking for some time. I'm usually a AR/AK guy, but I have a project I'm working on and I'm not getting much useful info on the Black rifle boards I usually haunt. I was hoping some of you fellas could throw in some of your hard earned experience.
I recently got back from my local smith a Rossi 92 in .357 mag/.38 special. I had him drill and tap the receiver for a Lyman 69a peep, mount the tallest gold bead marbles front sight Brownell's sells. He also cut down the mag tube 1/2 inch and threaded it for my YHM 9mm suppressor.(This is the only 9mm suppressor on the market right now that disassembles for cleaning, so I'm not afraid of cast bullets.

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Let me tell you this thing is a kick in the butt! The giggle factor is way up there.

I've bought a rockchucker and all the gear to reload.
So far I've loaded 158gr lswc trailboss loads. I started at 3gr went to 3.5 and then 4gr. Cant really tell the difference in sound between the loads. So the 4gr has been the go to load.

I just loaded some 158gr jacketed soft point with 4.5 gr of hp38, but haven't shot them yet.

I would like to find a load that puts the heaviest round out at around 1,000 fps in the 16in barrel. I would also like to use .38 special brass.

My questions for you guys is how would you go about it??? What bullet would you recommend? What powder would you use? Any pet loads that might fit the bill??? Are there any heavy cast bullets with a crimp groove That puts them closer to .357 length that allows more room for powder? How heavy of a bullet will the puma Rossi stabilize at 1,000 fps???


Any help or advice would be really appreciated... Kinda flying by the seat of my pants on this one!!

Thanks, Fisty

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Old 01-30-2010, 03:26 PM
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I would start here with Greg Mushial’s low velocity data.

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

I shot a lot of Greg’s load data in various rifles and it is good data.
I shoot the 180-grain LBT type bullet --- NEI and the RCBS 200-grain gas check bullet in the Winchester M-94AE – 357 Trapper. We were looking for maximum power with these loads and did not shoot below 1,100 fps so our data will not help you.

Marshal’s 185-grain LBT bullet is similar to the NEI but has a gas check.

https://beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm

If buying cast bullets I would buy the 185-grain LBT bullets. If I were buying a mold it would be a real toss up as whether to buy the NEI or the RCBS mold. Both bullets shoot well in the Winchesters and the TC Contender.

for long bullets the 38 Special case is the place to start. I would start with Alliant Bullseye or Accurate Arms No. 2 as these two powders work very well in all of our subsonic shooting

My links will only get you close it seems. On Gregs sit scroll down on the left side to the 357, 180-grain data.
For Marshalls bullet scroll down on the ledt to 357 bullets.
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Old 01-30-2010, 08:35 PM
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Hey thanks!
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Old 01-31-2010, 08:19 AM
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If you have not looked at the patents here are two links to start you out. The second link is to one of the original patents and illustrates the Model 94 Winchester with silencer.
A search on Google books will bring up a number of articles on the use of silenced firearms in England after 1900 in British scientific publications.
In the U.S. Fur Fish and Game, Hunter Trader Trapper, Outing and Outers, Recreation and Shields magazines all had advertisements and short articles and opinions on the use of silenced firearms.
Unfortunately there is little detail on loading ammunition for subsonic shooting until the late 1960ís.

http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=...iew+first+page

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...885&RS=916,885
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