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Old 03-22-2010, 01:07 AM
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Can anyone tell me if their is a Mfg lever action rifle that uses 45 acp rounds

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Old 03-22-2010, 04:12 AM
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Don't Think So

There are 38special/357mag levers out there. Also 44special/44mag. But to my knowledge I have never heard of a 45ACP lever. My guess would be because of the design of the brass.

The weapon designed to shoot the little ACP would be a interesting weapon though. -----pruhdlr
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Old 03-22-2010, 04:15 AM
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Bob Snapp built one on a Marlin 1894 for C. E. Harris. It was written up in the American Rifleman. It was not an easy conversion but there were pictures of the modifications.
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The rimless case is not the major problem, just note the .35 Remington. The ACP round would simply be too dangerous in casual use. No gunsmith or manufacturer wants the liability. Despite all the warnings in the world, there is far too much danger of someone loading the magazine with hardball rounds. The problem likely would not be recoil setting off the magazine rounds, but dropping the rifle or rough handling might just be the quick way to Lawsuit Land.
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Old 03-23-2010, 04:12 AM
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The rimless case is not the major problem, just note the .35 Remington. The ACP round would simply be too dangerous in casual use. No gunsmith or manufacturer wants the liability. Despite all the warnings in the world, there is far too much danger of someone loading the magazine with hardball rounds. The problem likely would not be recoil setting off the magazine rounds, but dropping the rifle or rough handling might just be the quick way to Lawsuit Land.
Well, that'd just mean one would have to have a box magazine, and I'm betting most levergun enthusiasts would give a lever action with a pistol mag sticking out of the bottom a weird look and a chuckle before moving on.
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Well, that'd just mean one would have to have a box magazine, and I'm betting most levergun enthusiasts would give a lever action with a pistol mag sticking out of the bottom a weird look and a chuckle before moving on.
Marlin camp carbine.
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IIRC, the El Tigre was made in 45 ACP. Its a 92 copy of the Winchester M92 that was made in the 30ties in Spain.
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:18 AM
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NOT A Lever....But....--->

Hope this won't make the lever guys out there puke(hey,I'm a lever guy too)but just couldn't resist.

If you can see your way past a lever and be able to stomach a semi-auto,I highly recommend the Beretta CX4 Storm. This is one of the most fun little carbines that you could ever want. It will shoot/feed/extract most any ACP loading except full wadcutter and has the 50yd accuracy to hit most anything you'd want to kill. It isn't a bad little killer if using the Hornady 230gr XTP's or some of the CorBon loadings(especially the 165's).

I would also wonder about reliability of a 45ACP lever with the somewhat short and fat little round. -----pruhdlr
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I would imagine the combined challenge of a short case and no rim to assist with feeding/extraction, plus the availability of the powerful, versatile, and suitable, 45LC has kept experimentation to a minimum. There are so many good cartridges to stuff in a lever-gun, why make it hard on yourself? You can load the 45LC down to very mild levels or crank it up for some 100 yard deer hunting loads. Problem solved?
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Sorry Ironhead, El Tigres were only produced in a single caliber, .44-40.

Being rimless is not a feeding problem for designers. Using actions that are too long for the short case (particularly the tilting lifters of the '92's and both '94's) is a problem. A handmade short '73 action would be fantastic, BUT you would still have the problem of possible hardball in a tube magazine to contend with and that's too much to deal with.

I'm like pruhdlr, but way poorer. I'm still waiting for the Hi Point .45 (like a zillion other folks) after spending a weekend with a friend's .40. 500 rounds later, I'm a believer. They are horribly short on sex appeal but plenty long on accuracy and reliability.
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What will a 45 ACP do that a 45 Colt will not do?

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J, the ACP obviously
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J, the ACP obviously cannot be loaded to be a .45 "magnum", and it actually gains very little velocity in a longer barrel, but its place in a long gun is that of a nice centerfire plinker, protector and short range small game round. The ACP brass is far more common than Colt and, handloaders will affirm, far easier to reload in volume.
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I have seen a few Ruger lever actions converted from 44mag to 45ACP in England. They useda M3 Grease Gun mags as well. Interesting but can't say they tempted me.
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Marlin camp carbine.
Semi auto, not a lever gun. The Camp Carbine also was available in 9 MM. The Beretta CX4 is made in both calibers also. You can buy a magazine with pretty good capacity for the Camp Carbine in 45 ACP, but the CX4 comes with two magazines that hold only about 7 rounds. If any of you know a a better mag for a CX4 (45ACP) I would sure like to know about it.
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Sorry Ironhead, El Tigres were only produced in a single caliber, .44-40.

Being rimless is not a feeding problem for designers. Using actions that are too long for the short case (particularly the tilting lifters of the '92's and both '94's) is a problem. A handmade short '73 action would be fantastic, BUT you would still have the problem of possible hardball in a tube magazine to contend with and that's too much to deal with.

I'm like pruhdlr, but way poorer. I'm still waiting for the Hi Point .45 (like a zillion other folks) after spending a weekend with a friend's .40. 500 rounds later, I'm a believer. They are horribly short on sex appeal but plenty long on accuracy and reliability.
Sorry to tell you this, but I owned an El Tigres in 38 Special caliber. So 44-40 wasn't the only caliber they were made in.
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What will a 45 ACP do that a 45 Colt will not do?

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The rimless case is not the major problem, just note the .35 Remington. The ACP round would simply be too dangerous in casual use. No gunsmith or manufacturer wants the liability. Despite all the warnings in the world, there is far too much danger of someone loading the magazine with hardball rounds. The problem likely would not be recoil setting off the magazine rounds, but dropping the rifle or rough handling might just be the quick way to Lawsuit Land.
Maybe true from a liability point of view .

But , from a practical point of view , I load my .45 LC Puma with ~ 250 grain Lee RNFP home cast bullets .

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I would imagine the combined challenge of a short case and no rim to assist with feeding/extraction, plus the availability of the powerful, versatile, and suitable, 45LC has kept experimentation to a minimum. There are so many good cartridges to stuff in a lever-gun, why make it hard on yourself? You can load the 45LC down to very mild levels or crank it up for some 100 yard deer hunting loads. Problem solved?
Other than the novelity , I have a lot more .45 ACP brass , than I have .45 LC brass .

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