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Old 06-12-2010, 06:55 AM
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Just got my Mossberg 464


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Howdy folks. after a whole lot of research of all the lever action 30-30's out there. I choose the Mossberg 464 and bought it yesterday. I added a Vortex scope, 2 boxes of LEVERevolution, then off to the range. By the end of the first box I was able to put 3 in a 8" circle @ 100 yds. I then did a bit of rapid fire, to check the lever action on speed. It preformed flawlessly. I am looking forward to loading my own to see what kind of tweeking can be done. I am the type of hunter who kills with the first shot. I enjoy the hunt. The only way I have found to keep accuracy up is a combo of things, like breath, knowing the firearm, sighting-in, ammo. Anyway Great 30-30, IMHO
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Old 06-12-2010, 12:18 PM
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Keep us up to date. One of these has been on my want list for awhile.....
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:44 PM
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Thanks, I will. My wife is eyeing it quite a bit... I don't see to many folks who have one of these. I am going to buy a box or two of "low-cost" ammo and see what it looks like @ 100yds.
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Old 06-12-2010, 07:43 PM
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I handled one of them didn't like it way to bulky, but then again I'm spoiled on Wins and Marlins!
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I really like mine though I have ony had it a couple of months.

That may be the pistol grip version that is being called bulkier than the Marlins. Mine is the straight grip (never seen the pistol grip version) and I don't see how it could be described as bulkier than my 336CS (.35 Remington). In fact, personally, I like it (464) better for being appreciably leaner.

Mine shoulders and cycles pretty well. I shot irons for a while and took a ground hog that way but I have decided that I need a scope to hunt deer as a ground hog in broad daylight in a mowed field is a way different target than a gray deer in the foggy brush at dawn or dusk. Just too easy to cover up the same target you are struggling to see in the first place with the bead and rear blades.

I chose the Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5X32. Cheap, rugged, and simply works, which fits my attitude for this particular rifle very well. The scope is mounted, but I have not had a chance to sight in again so I do not have group sizes to share.


Anybody added sling studs to one? I guess one would use a kit from Uncle Mike's to clamp on the magazine tube?

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Old 06-14-2010, 12:46 PM
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I really like mine though I have ony had it a couple of months.

That may be the pistol grip version that is being called bulkier than the Marlins. Mine is the straight grip (never seen the pistol grip version) and I don't see how it could be described as bulkier than my 336CS (.35 Remington). In fact, personally, I like it (464) better for being appreciably leaner.

Mine shoulders and cycles pretty well. I shot irons for a while and took a ground hog that way but I have decided that I need a scope to hunt deer as a ground hog in broad daylight in a mowed field is a way different target than a gray deer in the foggy brush at dawn or dusk. Just too easy to cover up the same target you are struggling to see in the first place with the bead and rear blades.

I chose the Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5X32. Cheap, rugged, and simply works, which fits my attitude for this particular rifle very well. The scope is mounted, but I have not had a chance to sight in again so I do not have group sizes to share.


Anybody added sling studs to one? I guess one would use a kit from Uncle Mike's to clamp on the magazine tube?

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Your and my take on the rifle are the same. I plan to take it out on the range on Thursday to try and tighten up my groups. I'll use a solid bench-rest this time and see what the groups will look like then.

I am using the Kit from Uncle Mike and it works well. I also have 2 Henry's with the same sling setup and find it Outstanding. The hardest and most tedious part (at least for me) is drilling the hole in the butt-stock to attach the sling. Kind of hurt drilling into it, but....
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Old 07-06-2010, 06:11 AM
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With a 4X scope and 150 gr Rem. CL I am getting 110yard groups in the 3-3.5" category. Gun is running dirtier than I would ever let a serious bolt gun get, and is still in the break in period. I wish it were a little better but I plugged another groundhog right in the ribs at 100 yds after the range work so it will be good enough for deer at the same type of distance.

I keep reading that most .30-30s prefer the 170 grain pill. I may try that sometime but right now as I am so new to the the cartridge I think I prefer the little bit extra speed and expansion of the 150s. This is just in my head though as I have not used any 170s, ever.

Anybody able to confirm or negate the differences of the 150s and 170s on deer sized game at the long end (say 125 yards)? Does the 150 expand enough better to make a difference? Does the 170 grain expand at all or just sort of pencil through?

Just being cautious about low speed expansion as I once had a 200 grainer from my .35 go straight through (115 yards) and make such small holes in the hide I couldn't even find them until the deer was skinned (plugged with fat and hair). Luckily, I got some neck on the way out of that deer and it dropped.

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Still have to say I am proud of my purchase. It handles well, fun to carry, and will shoot better in time with breaking in, lapping, cleaning, and eventually handloading.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:22 AM
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Thanks for the updates. I have been looking at them and it seems to be a good gun.
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:53 PM
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Howdy folks. after a whole lot of research of all the lever action 30-30's out there. I choose the Mossberg 464 and bought it yesterday. I added a Vortex scope, 2 boxes of LEVERevolution, then off to the range. By the end of the first box I was able to put 3 in a 8" circle @ 100 yds. I then did a bit of rapid fire, to check the lever action on speed. It preformed flawlessly. I am looking forward to loading my own to see what kind of tweeking can be done. I am the type of hunter who kills with the first shot. I enjoy the hunt. The only way I have found to keep accuracy up is a combo of things, like breath, knowing the firearm, sighting-in, ammo. Anyway Great 30-30, IMHO

I have a Winny and a Marlin .30-30 . Only factory ammo I have put through them is the cheap Walley World Federal 170 grain stuff ( that used to be $ 10.00 a box ) .

Both rifles seem to like it . Do not know if the Mossy will like it ?

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Old 09-02-2011, 11:09 AM
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I purchased one of these and am very pleased with it. It likes the 170gr much better than all other weights. Also, the lever revolution was specifically designed with the marlin micro groove rifling in mind wich is much shallower in the barrel. The mossy will shoot regular winchester 170gr flats much better than the leverevolution.
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Just purchased a new 464. Plain blued model. I'll visit the range this weekend. I'll be trying the Federal 150gn RN factory stuff. Stock iron sights. I have a Skinner Lo Pro rear sight on the way, but it won't be here for this weekend. I'll let y'all know.

I'm an old grunt, too.
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Just purchased a new 464. Plain blued model. I'll visit the range this weekend. I'll be trying the Federal 150gn RN factory stuff. Stock iron sights. I have a Skinner Lo Pro rear sight on the way, but it won't be here for this weekend. I'll let y'all know.

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When I shot factory .30-30 ammo , the Federal 170 grain soft round nose shot fairly good , for me .


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Old 10-02-2011, 05:19 AM
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Anybody able to confirm or negate the differences of the 150s and 170s on deer sized game at the long end (say 125 yards)? Does the 150 expand enough better to make a difference? Does the 170 grain expand at all or just sort of pencil through?.
I'm on my last .30-30, an 80's vintage M336 in nearly new condition. I don't recall that any of them shot better with 150's or 170's. I also never saw much difference on deer. Both weights will open predictably over practical .30-30 ranges, but neither will demonstrate "violent" expansion either. Interesting that I've recovered bullets from several cartridges, from .243 to .35 Whelen, but never from a .30-30. I think my longest shot was probably about 125yds +/-.

For most of my hunting I have used 150gr Speer or Sierra FP's. I do have a supply of 170's, and I've used them on trips to Maine and the Adirondaks, where I might get a lucky shot at a decent size bear. Mine wears a Lyman peep, not a scope, as I use the .30-30 when I plan to move all day, and a scope doesn't carry as well. It is maybe the best rifle for that sort of thing, probably the reason so many millions of them were made.
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OK, range report with the 464. Factory iron sights. Federal 150gn RN. Sighting in at 50 yds. First group 6in high and 4in left. Group about 3in spread. Second group 2in high and 2in left. Again about 3in spread. Third group.. 2 in the bull, one about 2 in left. Again, about 3in spread. Mostly spread horizontal. Pretty tight vertically. Made no more sight adjustments. Then put 6 out of 6 withing the 3in orange target pastie. IMHO, not bad for a blade sight and factory ammo. Next step... try out the Skinner Lo Pro sight, next weekend.

Function-wise, there are two things that are a bit annoying. First, when levering a new round, sometimes the feeding action is not smooth. When the feed ramp pushes the round up to align the round with the chamber, the round gets jammed between the feed ramp and the bolt rail that stops the round as the ramp pushes it up. Not smooth. Second, with several rounds in the magazine tube, sometimes rounds get stuck in the tube. The last round in the tube, closest to the receiver, doesn't slide down into position. So, sometimes I operate the lever and the next round is not at the bottom of the receiver to be pushed up into position. A smack on the side of the receiver takes care of this, but it's still annoying.

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Old 10-03-2011, 07:23 AM
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OK, range report with the 464. Factory iron sights. Federal 150gn RN. Sighting in at 50 yds. First group 6in high and 4in left. Group about 3in spread. Second group 2in high and 2in left. Again about 3in spread. Third group.. 2 in the bull, one about 2 in left. Again, about 3in spread. Mostly spread horizontal. Pretty tight vertically. Made no more sight adjustments. Then put 6 out of 6 withing the 3in orange target pastie. IMHO, not bad for a blade sight and factory ammo. Next step... try out the Skinner Lo Pro sight, next weekend.

Function-wise, there are two things that are a bit annoying. First, when levering a new round, sometimes the feeding action is not smooth. When the feed ramp pushes the round up to align the round with the chamber, the round gets jammed between the feed ramp and the bolt rail that stops the round as the ramp pushes it up. Not smooth. Second, with several rounds in the magazine tube, sometimes rounds get stuck in the tube. The last round in the tube, closest to the receiver, doesn't slide down into position. So, sometimes I operate the lever and the next round is not at the bottom of the receiver to be pushed up into position. A smack on the side of the receiver takes care of this, but it's still annoying.

Try the 170 grain Federals .

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I will certainly try the Federal 170gn rounds. Fortunately, my local store has 'em. I hope to be working up my own loads, soon. But, it's always good to know if my rifle will be more accurate with one type of factory ammo. Just in case I don't have any of my own loads handy.
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Well, I tried the 170gn Federal factory rounds. No significant difference in accuracy. Shot three 3 round groups with the Federal 150gn. Avg. group 1.837 in. Shot two 3 round groups with the 170gn. Avg. group 2.144 in. All at 50yds. So, not really much difference. Gonna start reloading my own, starting with Sierra 150gn slugs. We'll see how that turns out.
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Well, I tried the 170gn Federal factory rounds. No significant difference in accuracy. Shot three 3 round groups with the Federal 150gn. Avg. group 1.837 in. Shot two 3 round groups with the 170gn. Avg. group 2.144 in. All at 50yds. So, not really much difference. Gonna start reloading my own, starting with Sierra 150gn slugs. We'll see how that turns out.
Are you still shooting with open sights? If so, I'm not sure measuring groups down to the thousandth is really necessary.

When I'm using an open-sighted rifle, like my Model '92 in 44/40, I don't worry about group size, per se...as long as 9 out of 10 go into a 5" circle at whatever range I'm shooting (~75 yards) I just don't care all that much if it's 2.8" or 3.2". The deer'll never know the difference.
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If your eyesight is good enough & the rifle and ammo is good enough , 1" 100 yards groups are doable with iron sights , off sand bags .

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If your eyesight is good enough & the rifle and ammo is good enough , 1" 100 yards groups are doable with iron sights , off sand bags .

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I don't disagree, but I've also never seen it done and even when my eyes were 20/15, I never managed to pull it off. For guys that have shot 1" groups at 100 yards with open sights, you have my utmost respect!
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