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Old 03-06-2012, 06:13 AM
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I have had muzzle-braked guns before. The brake (or porting) can be very nice from a recoil-management perspective. The trade-off is a significant increase in noise. My braked '06 was a bit unpleasant even with 32dB ear plugs in.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:36 AM
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I have enjoyed reading this threaded discussion. I have a Marlin 1985M and love the 350 Marlin round. I am considering adding either a BLR or the new Winchester 94 take down in 450 Marlin. The Winchester has a 20" ported barrel. Any opinions of porting? I find my 1895M's recoil to be stout but manageable.
I own both the 1895M and the BLR/.450. Both are nice rifles, but the BLR is nicer in my book. Two things make it better for hunting in my mind. There is no duplicate safety and the ease of loading and unloading makes those chores not only easier, but safer as well. Also, I have no problems with the triggers on my three BLRs. Are they the best three triggers among all the rifles I own? Nope! But then again, only three rifles can have that, can't they?
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Calibers compared.

I've been reading interestedly for a while now, and interject this: In a Stevens break-action, 12g, sxs 28" gun, can one use the barrel-inserts of .444 or .450 centerfire as alternate calibers? I'm just looking for some safe alternatives. Thanks. Lamont.
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I have enjoyed reading this threaded discussion. I have a Marlin 1985M and love the 350 Marlin round. I am considering adding either a BLR or the new Winchester 94 take down in 450 Marlin. The Winchester has a 20" ported barrel. Any opinions of porting? I find my 1895M's recoil to be stout but manageable.

Just picked up a Browning BLR T/D in 450 Marlin.
Thought about the Winchester 94 T/D but 2 things turned me off.......the ridiculously high price and the fact that the barrel is ported.
Both the Browning BLR and the new Winchester 94 are made by Miroku of Japan.
Have yet to range test my new BLR.
And YES! my new BLRs trigger is the typical heavy, gritty disgrace to the Browning race.
Going to see if my gunsmith can do something about lightening the trigger and making it more tolerable.
Too bad Browning won't deal with this outstanding issue as the BLRs infamous trigger has turned a lot of potential buyers away from this otherwise op quality gun.
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Sorry to hear you're so down on your Browning's trigger. My BLR in .450 has a pretty nice trigger actually and it also shoots darn nice groups too. I also own Guide Guns in 45-70 and .450, but the BLR would always be my choice if it was dangerous game. No double safety, shorter lever throw and flawless function.
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I'm looking at lever rifles and am considering the Marlin 22" .450. however, I see that browning now has a BLR .450 Marlin. Anybody out there have thoughts on the Marlin vs Browning question. Never owned either one so I don't have any personal experience. I will be using factory ammo. I've heard there migt be a problem with the rotating bolt on the Browning. Also, do you have any experience or thoughts about the 18 1/2" barrel vs the 22" barrel on the Marlin.
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Anyone interested in a truly great Marlin 1895 Cowboy .45-70?
This one was purchased by Wally Wenzel of Murphy, TX.
Those of you never associated with SASS or cowboy action shootin will have no understanding of the significance of that so I will explain.
WW's SASS name was Dawg Nose. His posse was called The Black Dawg Posse.
WW had a federally licensed ammo plant in his place in Murphy.... He named it Black Dawg Cartridge Company.
His insistence on perfection for CAS/SASS shooters rapidly became legend.
He then began developing long range match ammo for each rifle seen in these matches...Sharps, Hi Walls, Creedmores...etc....
He bought one of each.
Usually in about 4 or 5 rounds he found the perfect load for each.
Then, he would sell the gun.
Eventually, GOEX black powder BOUGHT HIM OUT......and now, GOEX markets Black Dawg blackpowder ammo.
Anyway....I bought the 1895 Marlin Cowboy that he used to develop his load for that gun.
The barrel had been lapped for optimum research performance.
The rifle has been fired less that 100 times.
Smokeless only. Some Hornady, some Winchester, some Remington.I have a Marbles tang sight for it I will throw in.
It currently sports a a 3-9 X 40 in see thru rings.
It has brought down deer and hog several times with one shot only.
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The browning is a very smooth lever and you would not be limited to flat nose bullets.
How-ever brass is more money than with the 45/70.
The Marlin GG is a very nice gun in the bush with it's 18.5 barrel. A lower power scope like my W2x20 scope makes a good compenation . It got my deer in heavy cover.

I have thought of adding the 358 BLR81 to my box for the two hundred yard plus shots that I sometimes get in more open country.
I have a BLR in 358, I love it. But it is an early one -- before 81.
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Have a 444S since 1973 and a BLR since 1983, Not a problem. But if I was the buy a 45 cal lever rifle i would look in to the Henry 45-70 because the 45-70 is chambered in many rifle models, plenty 45-70 ammo available vs marlin 450 ammo.

The BLR M450 with a 20" barrel would be a good choice new or used. The marlin I would buy one before the Remington takeover if you can find one.

Reloaders can really do a lot with the 45-70 and it is my understanding the M450 is better for none reloaders cause factory ammo is loaded to modern standards.

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Reloaders can really do a lot with the 45-70 and it is my understanding the M450 is better for none reloaders cause factory ammo is loaded to modern standards.

T NY
Only in a Marlin rifle.

Other 45/70 should be standard loads.

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Reloaders can do a lot with the 450M... I do

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Only in a Marlin rifle.

Other 45/70 should be standard loads.

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Reloaders can do a lot with the 450M... I do

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This is true I should have pointed out the 45-70 can be reloaded to its full potential in modern rifles not old black powder or replica firearms or just old firearms. And I have no doubt that the M450 can be reloaded to ones needs. But that's not the point I was making. According to what I read the M450 was introduced so the owner reloader or not can buy modern commercial ammo off the shelf.

It is the practice (layered advised) of most if not all cartridge manufacturers to load 45-70 ammo to a level that should be safe in older 45-70 rifle.

This is where the M450 has a place, you can buy modern ammo for it in a mom and pop store.

I not own a 45-70 or a M450 this as just my opinion is base on my understanding is.

T NY

PS. There are other rifle that can/might handle higher pressure loads like the Ruger #1 45-70, Henry 45-70 , Rossi 45-70 new Winchester 45-70 but I'm not sure maybe someone who knows can tell us.
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I own both Brownings and Marlins. Both are well made dependable guns. that said, if I could only pick one it would have to be Browning every time... Thats just my opinion.
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Here's the rub. Marlin changed their heat treating for their 450 Marlin. They wouldn't rebarrel my 45-70 GG to it. But their customer support lady said handloads in the 45-70 equal their 450. I killed a couple of whitetails with Lyman 457483's. I wasn't impressed though. Now I've loaded up some Speer 400 gr. jacketed slugs with IMR 4198 under them. I know I'm at 1600 fps. and took my time at the bench, and got a mickey mouse at 100 yards. This was with a low power scope on Weaver pivot mounts.

You can't do much better with the stock rifle. But WWG's trick trigger, properly installed by a competent gunsmith works wonders. as does their large loop lever. I shot some Hornady 350 RN's single shot, which slammed my knuckles so hard, that they hurt for a couple of weeks.

This little monster was written up as the Brush Gun from H@#l, and that's pretty descriptive. The harder and nastier it kicks you, the better those ports work to keep the barrel down for very quick second, third, or fourth, shots, at an irate charging quadruped.

My gripe with the Browning BLR's are that they all seem to have one size of forearm wood, regardless of the size of the slugs they sling.

If the WWG trigger, which Brownell's sells, will shrink my mickey mouse into one hole at 100 yards, so much the better. But its also much lighter. If I can wrap leather thongs around the oversized WWG lever, to save my knuckles, priceless!

















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Marlin did NOT change any heat treatment(s). They did, however, change the threads from receiver to barrel in their Big Bores (including .308ME & .338ME). The BLR/.450 (I own both) is only this much better; Marlin can accecpt about 44,000 PSI and the BLR can accept 65,000 PSI.

To this, admittedly simple man, thats' a LOT of difference!!!!
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The first shot from a cold barrel on my Marlin 450M will drill the X right out of the target with Hornady factory 350grn interlocks, the second shot keeps it MOA, by the third shot the bridge of my nose is a bit sensitive from the bell of the scope from the recoil! and the groups open right up!?
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I think I bought my first Browning BLR way back when the smart Bush was President and they are great rifles. You get used to the trigger.
Owned Marlin 1895s for years and with the after market Happy Trigger kit from Wild West Guns my 2 Guide Guns are real shooters.
I could come out on both sides of this discussion.
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I've had the 358 BLR for about two years now and fired quite a few rounds through it. It has been a dream. Shoots as well as if not better than my bolt guns and unlike Harry, have not had any problems or issues with it at all. I've worked up some fairly hot loads and it takes them without blinking. Great gun, I'd get another in a second.
I agree fully, but I've had mine a little longer. I have a spare magazine which is handy. Don't know where you heard that there might be a problem with the gear mechanism. Never heard of that.

The main issue I've had with Marlin lever actions and I have only one now is issues with over-all length of loaded cartridges. I prefer the 1886 Winchester to the Marlin.
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