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Old 11-03-2003, 06:12 AM
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I'm looking at lever rifles and am considering the Marlin 22" .450. however, I see that browning now has a BLR .450 Marlin. Anybody out there have thoughts on the Marlin vs Browning question. Never owned either one so I don't have any personal experience. I will be using factory ammo. I've heard there migt be a problem with the rotating bolt on the Browning. Also, do you have any experience or thoughts about the 18 1/2" barrel vs the 22" barrel on the Marlin.
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Old 11-05-2003, 03:30 AM
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I'm looking at lever rifles and am considering the Marlin 22" .450. however, I see that browning now has a BLR .450 Marlin. Anybody out there have thoughts on the Marlin vs Browning question? ...do you have any experience or thoughts about the 18 1/2" barrel vs the 22" barrel on the Marlin.
I own the Marlin 450 in the 18.5". 1895M I love the gun. it is good to past 100 yards. took a deer at past 200 once but that was leaning on a tree and taking my time...and a little luck... I have been using a 3-9 leupold scope on it for awhile now but am looking into getting a XS peep site. I am not sure how much better the 22" barrel will really do for you it is a relitively short range cartridge any how, but I am not going to try and convince you because I think you would be fine either way. I did how ever have a problem with the gun when I first got it and had to send it back to the factory. the shots were all over the place. But they fixed the problem. The gun shop said that they had never sent one back before...and they sell alot of Marlins. The sites on the stock gun do need to be replaced, I wouldn't even try to get by with them, but that won't kill the wallet to bad. you can get a peep site for $30 for the gun.
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Old 11-05-2003, 10:26 AM
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JimC,

Don't know much about the Browning. Don,t really care! Have a 450 Marlin, 18 1/2 ported bbl, Burris 2.75X scout scope in a Ashley Scout mount & Warne QD rings, Ashley ghost ring rear and front post. Shoots great, looks great. Handload a 350 gr Hornady FP at 2,100 fps and CPB 460 gr WFNGC at 1,780 fps. Both will shoot 1-1 1/2" groups at 100 yards. They both drop 11" at 200 yards.
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Old 12-19-2003, 05:47 AM
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Don't know much about the Browning. Don,t really care! Have a 450 Marlin, 18 1/2 ported bbl, Burris 2.75X scout scope in a Ashley Scout mount & Warne QD rings, Ashley ghost ring rear and front post. Shoots great, looks great. Handload a 350 gr Hornady FP at 2,100 fps and CPB 460 gr WFNGC at 1,780 fps. Both will shoot 1-1 1/2" groups at 100 yards. They both drop 11" at 200 yards.
The browning is a very smooth lever and you would not be limited to flat nose bullets.
How-ever brass is more money than with the 45/70.
The Marlin GG is a very nice gun in the bush with it's 18.5 barrel. A lower power scope like my W2x20 scope makes a good compenation . It got my deer in heavy cover.

I have thought of adding the 358 BLR81 to my box for the two hundred yard plus shots that I sometimes get in more open country.
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The browning is a very smooth lever and you would not be limited to flat nose bullets.
How-ever brass is more money than with the 45/70.
The Marlin GG is a very nice gun in the bush with it's 18.5 barrel. A lower power scope like my W2x20 scope makes a good compenation . It got my deer in heavy cover.

I have thought of adding the 358 BLR81 to my box for the two hundred yard plus shots that I sometimes get in more open country.


Harry, I wonder if you or any of the other readers out there have any thoughts to pass along on the new Hornady LeveRevolution ammo, particularly for the .450 Marlin. I just traded my .444. Loved that gun, but had a real itch to try the new .450 in a 18.5" Guide Gun configuration with a 2-7 Leupold Rifleman scope. I've run half a box of 325 grain ammo through it just to get it set up but haven't spent the time yet to really zero it in. Looking forward to hitting the range and heading off to the deer woods in a few weeks.
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Old 10-19-2006, 04:23 AM
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I'm looking at lever rifles and am considering the Marlin 22" .450. however, I see that browning now has a BLR .450 Marlin. Anybody out there have thoughts on the Marlin vs Browning question. Never owned either one so I don't have any personal experience. I will be using factory ammo. I've heard there migt be a problem with the rotating bolt on the Browning. Also, do you have any experience or thoughts about the 18 1/2" barrel vs the 22" barrel on the Marlin.
Appreciate any comments.

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Don't see Browning chambering for a cartridge that the rotating bolt would have difficulty with ... if you want a BLR, I think it will work fine. You spoke of the 22" bbl 450 Marlin rifle ... do you know where one is at, or do you just want one? ... That is the 1895MR and they are not making them anymore ... so harder to find and more expensive than the Marlin 1895 in 45/70, unless you have found an unusual deal. Most of the guys above are referring to the shorter Marlin 450's and 45/70 guide guns which have 18.5" bbls and may or may not be ported. They have straight grips instead of pistol grips and the ports are VERY loud, but do soften recoil to more of a push rather than a sharp jab and help reduce muzzle lift. Just a few things to consider and good luck in your search. Let us know how it turns out .

Incidentally, I have a BLR in .358W with pistol grip, and it has no problems functioning with that cartridge.
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I'm not a lever guy, but would hazzard a guess that the Browning would take more pressure if your pushing hot loads than the Marlin.

Browning 81's have a very strong lockup and a gun designed to handle the high pressure cartridges such as the 7mm Remington magnum and 300 Winchester magnum's are built pretty tough.

Both are great looking guns and chambered in 450 Marlin both are pretty much limited ranged guns compaired to some of the Brownings flat shooting cartridges.

Marlins on the other hand are great handling traditional lever action carbines with lots of aftermarket goodies to customize to your hearts content.

Both will do an excellent job in the deer woods.

I'd suggest you find a gun store where you can shoulder both and one of them will tell you "I'm the one your taking home".
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Old 10-19-2006, 06:06 AM
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Harry, I wonder if you or any of the other readers out there have any thoughts to pass along on the new Hornady LeveRevolution ammo, particularly for the .450 Marlin. I just traded my .444. Loved that gun, but had a real itch to try the new .450 in a 18.5" Guide Gun configuration with a 2-7 Leupold Rifleman scope. I've run half a box of 325 grain ammo through it just to get it set up but haven't spent the time yet to really zero it in. Looking forward to hitting the range and heading off to the deer woods in a few weeks.
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I gave up on the 45/70 guide gun because I could never get it to group. I had bought a used 1895 at first and it deveopled carrier problems, so then I had traded up to the guide. Anyway the guide had the barrel restrictions and as far as we could tell, the barrel slugged out to .4595. So should I have lapped the bore- there is no place to obtain .460 lead pills for it in Canada.
I then bought a BLR in 358 W . Great round but had problems with the rifle, timing, case's sticking in the chamber where again ,I had it sent back the second time to get the chamber polished. I had no confedance in the rifle after that. Had it two years and it missed both huntin' seasons.

This past summer I bought a Tikka Battue in 06.The sites line up the instant you mount the gun. There were no adjustments to made . I loaded a 180 gr. 3006 round and after a few rounds felt in Love with the gun.
Look it up on the Web and try one when you can . Well it is a turn bolt but it is smooth and fast.

Now getting back on track I had shot a 450 Marlin with the short 18.5 barrel , but listened to the virtues of the 45/70 as protrayed on the net. I maybe should have looked a bit harder at the 450 Marlin. Had I bought a 450 and had it shot as good as the one I tried at the range, I would probably been happy with it. (I do like Marlins).Own a older 336/35 with ballard rifling, and also a 1894 in 44 Mag and lucked out there too!!
Think now should I come accross a 22" 450 or a 444 with ballard rifling, and the bore slugged out good, I would want the gun. The first 1895 I bought used shot good, too bad the carrier was warn out . Had I known what I know now , I probably had "that" rifle repaired.
So the bottom line- find a used Marlin BB . Have the barrel slugged for restrictions and bore size.
Other than that have a look at the new tikka Battue. Do that and you save a lot of work money and you end up a happy camper.I did it all the long way.
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Ps . I would like to thank" Epps" in Orrillia Canada who stood by , while on these growing pains over the years . They were always more than fair in dealing with my problems.
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Old 10-20-2006, 07:42 AM
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I've got the Marlin 1895MR and love the rifle. The hardest thing to beat will be to simply find one. They seem to be few are far between.

I haven't shot much this year because of my work load here on the rancho but my rifle has shot everything I've stuck in it without problems, cast or jacketed. I've now got two special order Lee molds that I'm using for boolits... a 350-grain and 425-grain bullet. It also shot the BTB 425-grain bullet very well.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:52 AM
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Have been kicking this around myself,, for just straight bush bust'en type hunting, and maybe a little beyond I like the feel and carry of the Marlin.

But the reloader / tinker side of me likes the BLR, for its ability to use different slugs and shapes, Just not sure how the life span issue of the action will pan out, and have read a few reports about problems with the actions, and not very many smiths able or knowlegeable about them.

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I've got the Marlin 1895MR and love the rifle. The hardest thing to beat will be to simply find one. They seem to be few are far between.

I haven't shot much this year because of my work load here on the rancho but my rifle has shot everything I've stuck in it without problems, cast or jacketed. I've now got two special order Lee molds that I'm using for boolits... a 350-grain and 425-grain bullet. It also shot the BTB 425-grain bullet very well.
The 1895 MR and the limited were put out in limited production under Davidsons is that correct? I have not heard anything negative about these guns

Some of the newer BLRs had timing problems where the bolt rubbed over the hammer when you opened the action .
Then some had problems with the freshly fired case sticking in the chamber for a few seconds after firing.
My rifle had two trips to the smith in two years for both these problems. The last problem was corrected with a chamber polish which I thought corrected about 95% of the problem .
Browning took a few months each time , since the gun needed to be returned to the States from Canada and back.
Hey they cost enough new- why the BS?

After going through the problems with the 1895 45/70 Marlin and two years with Browning I had just about enough.

I then went to a Savage bolt . It shot great , fit and every thing perfect , but bolt lift was hard after firing a round . I could maybe see this with hand loads that were too hot , but not factory ammo . I tried two box's with different production dates.Dealer noted they were hard to lift after firing.
I did not want to swallow that one either!!

I traded that rifle and bought a Winchester model 70, which renewed my faith in resent production rifles.Yes paid handsome , rifle needed a bit of trigger work but after that "I" was a happy camper.

Then this year I descovered the Tikka T3 Battue. This rifle is light and can be carried like a 30/30. No issues at all straight out of the box, ready for the bush type gun.So after ten years I am back to the bolt actions.( SO- PLEASED!!!)

Now the Marlins are great lever action rifles and if they cleaned up the barrel concerns , I would still have one . They are smooth and come apart quickly to be cleaned. You can not do this with the winchester or the BLR.
In fact if you clean the BLR from the front every thing goes in to the action, where the winchester you can at least hold the reciever upside down.
Now if Winchester still made the model 94 with the scout set up , less the tang saftey in big bore be it 356/ 375/444/450M with at least a 20 inch barrel that was not oversized to the( "New SAMMI Spec" as marllin calls it) , I would probably go for one ,as I did like the cross bolt saftey 94 AE in 30/30.

Maybe Browning could do an other run of the wincester 86.

Now suppose Savage could produce the model 99 with better tooling . Would you be intersted in a 338 Federal ?

Now it appears to me though my experiance , the choice'sare getting smaller with the lever rifles. Every one has some concerns , or would benifit from some tuning.Should we need to spend 600.00 up Canadain for a new rifle ? I expect to take it to the range and be able to adjust the sites to my liking and be happy . I do not really want to send it back for adjustments , tuning , timing or other wise.
The two model 94AE Winnies we have were stiff when new but we got them worn in and they are fine.
Have a older model 336/ 35 and a late Model 1894 Marlin in 44 and they are fine . How- ever the 94 Marlin could be tuned.

And that makes me fume. Let it be sold in kit form where you saved a few hundred and could fit the rifle to your liking or have the unit inspected and test fired ready to go. No further work required , just site the gun in to your Ammo.

Good luck in your quest

Maybe I am just still really "cheesed off "still about being asked to give up NOONERS!! and am venting at the firarm industry.

I have a 336/35 RC Marlin made in '54 and a 3006 TIKKA t3 that was just made and both of these are great guns.
Had to fiddle some what with the others.
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The 1895 MR and the limited were put out in limited production under Davidsons is that correct?
The 1895MR was a Marlin cataloged rifle with 22" barrel.
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But the reloader / tinker side of me likes the BLR, for its ability to use different slugs and shapes, Just not sure how the life span issue of the action will pan out, and have read a few reports about problems with the actions, and not very many smiths able or knowlegeable about them.

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I've had the 358 BLR for about two years now and fired quite a few rounds through it. It has been a dream. Shoots as well as if not better than my bolt guns and unlike Harry, have not had any problems or issues with it at all. I've worked up some fairly hot loads and it takes them without blinking. Great gun, I'd get another in a second.
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I've had the 358 BLR for about two years now and fired quite a few rounds through it. It has been a dream. Shoots as well as if not better than my bolt guns and unlike Harry, have not had any problems or issues with it at all. I've worked up some fairly hot loads and it takes them without blinking. Great gun, I'd get another in a second.
I know of six other people that have reported the same issues as I have , then heard so many fine reports of shooter who have great working guns.

I have worked on the BLR with Browning for two years , then sold it . The gentleman that bought the rifle loves it, but them most of the issues with the unit were dealt, with and I gave the lad almost a hundred rounds of Ammo the rifle liked.
Should he load more shells and get a bit closer to the max , the cases will stick a bit.

With regards to the Marlin MRI do not think I would be limited in the bush with a 22" barrel since my winchester 3006 has a 24 inch tube.
The first 1895 I bought was one of the first brough out in the seventies I think . It had a 22" tube , a straight stock and shot great.

Now I have yet to hear any one owning a 450 BLR.It would probably be awsome
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I know of six other people that have reported the same issues as I have , then heard so many fine reports of shooter who have great working guns.

I have worked on the BLR with Browning for two years , then sold it . The gentleman that bought the rifle loves it, but them most of the issues with the unit were dealt, with and I gave the lad almost a hundred rounds of Ammo the rifle liked.
Should he load more shells and get a bit closer to the max , the cases will stick a bit.
That's unfortunate as mine has been great. I suppose every maker has their "lemons". I'm hoping the 358 will make somewhat of a comeback, I think Ruger just chambered it in their M77.
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The ruger 77 was chambering at onetime in 358W and if you find one you got a beaut.
I would think they would now be more inclined to try the federal case .
I see some lads ordering a Rem in 35 and having it rechambered to 358W. Bet you could almost have it shot and cleaned with one clip.
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Easy choice to pick the BLR. You can use whatever bullets you like, increasing range significantly, and it's a strong lockup, so you've got more flexibility without fear...and more accuracy, I'd bet.
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Easy choice to pick the BLR. You can use whatever bullets you like, increasing range significantly, and it's a strong lockup, so you've got more flexibility without fear...and more accuracy, I'd bet.
I'd disagree with you JR1. I have no "fear" with the Marlin's action and after hosting the leveraction postal match for four years now... Never seen a BLR beat a Marlin in accuracy!
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Even with spitzers, would not see the .450 Marlin as a long range cartridge ... I think the marginal differences in trajectory seen in Hornady's LE ammo for over 30 cal ammo shows that. Either rifle works for this round but I don't really see the BLR having any edge over the Marlin (for this cartridge) unless it just handles and fits you better. The BLR will also cost more if that's a factor.
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So...pick the one you like! I agree that the Marlin is a fine rifle, one of my partners shoots one. It makes big boom! And weighs a ton. So RD is right, strength isn't really a problem. I guess I just shy away from tube mags, but maybe for this caliber it doesn't really matter anyway, like the crazy texan says...
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