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Old 03-07-2011, 05:55 PM
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Anyone else "retired" their lever guns to lead bullets only?


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I own several lever guns, and I'm never letting copper boolits go down their barrel again. I like shooting lead through them too much, and hate the massive cleanup required when I alternate with jacketed.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:57 PM
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:12 PM
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I use lead cast bullets in as many things as possible when feasable. All my lever guns and single shots get lead cast bullets only.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:15 AM
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+1 on the promotion! Most of mine shoot strictly cast, especially my 1894 marlin in .44 mag. It really came to life with BTB 250 grain swc's.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:55 AM
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I shoot mostly cast out of all my lever guns. I cast my own so they are about as cheap as I can get. A lot more shooting for less money and they work on game as well as jacketed bullets.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:57 AM
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After I got over the bolt action fixation I bought four lever actions with the idea to use cast bullets only. I using cast in 45 Colt, 45-70, 30-06 and 405 Winchester. Never found the need to use jacketed bullets.

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Old 03-08-2011, 05:53 AM
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Yup try to avoid copper fouling
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:03 AM
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I've been contemplating hard cast bullets in my 44/40, 44RM and a wildcat 35. My question is: Do you need to use gas-checked bullets, or is that only when your velocity exceeds a certain number?
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:44 AM
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How fast do you want to go? I've heard a rule of thumb that around 1,200fps it gets iffy, but I'm sure the bore condition has at great deal to do with it.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:34 AM
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Even in the 44/40 I would be thinking around 1,400 fps...it's a Model '92 with a replacement barrel, so the bore is in very good condition. With the 44RM and 35 'cat, I'd be quite a bit faster than 1,200fps. That means I'll need gas-checked bullets, right?
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:55 AM
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It's been a while since I fired anything other than lead in my M99 .308 and Win. 94 30/30. My Win. 94 in .45 Colt has never digested anything else. In fact I've been thinking about using up the few hundred rounds of jacketed reloads gathering dust in my shop. I've been shooting GC bullets in both rifles at velocities of around 1600fps to 1800 fps. Plain based bullets were loaded to between 1100fps and 1400fps. The accuracy was sensational; surpassing most jacketed loads in these rifles. I'm not set up to cast these bullets at this time - I do have two fine bullet styles in a couple of RCBS blocks - and have bought all the bullets so far.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:21 AM
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I would go with gas check if you are going to run full 44 mag pressures.
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When you seat a gas-checked bullet, I think I heard or read that it's crucial to not seat the base of the bullet below the neck of the case, or the GC might come off...is that right? The reason I ask is the 35 wildcat I'm shooting has a very short neck (~225") so it might not be suitable for cast bullets?
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MikeG, Is there a link that will give us the "Gas Checks for Dummies" course? I tried the search at the top right side and found all I need on Fire Lapping but didn't find much on gas checks. thanks, brewster7

Sorry, I think this is what you call hijacking a link.
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MikeG, Is there a link that will give us the "Gas Checks for Dummies" course? I tried the search at the top right side and found all I need on Fire Lapping but didn't find much on gas checks. thanks, brewster7

Sorry, I think this is what you call hijacking a link.
Don't know if it is hijacking or not, but I would like to know too!
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Old 03-08-2011, 03:30 PM
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When you seat a gas-checked bullet, I think I heard or read that it's crucial to not seat the base of the bullet below the neck of the case, or the GC might come off...is that right? The reason I ask is the 35 wildcat I'm shooting has a very short neck (~225") so it might not be suitable for cast bullets?
Well that is a good question and I honestly am not sure. I think "it depends" on a lot of factors. The one time I have done it is with the .35 Rem and I experienced no trouble at all - BUT - this was with compressed powder charges. So, the gas check could not come off as there was simply no place for it to go.

I have seen it written up that the lube grooves should not be exposed to the powder. While that makes sense, bear in mind that there are different lubes and different powder formulations so the answer is not as cut and dry as we'd like. Also, it would probably depend on how long the rounds were stored and in what conditions. The hard lubes we tend to use today just don't run and melt at the drop of a hat. Could there still be some powder contamination? Sure?, maybe?, who knows? Just an off-hand guess but powders with more nitroglycerin might logically be thought of as more reactive than single base powders. But again, I can't say for sure.

It occurs to me that if there was a situation where the powder could come in contact with the lube, a tuft of polyester pillow stuffing between the powder and the bullet could prevent problems. Of course you would have to work up again to be sure there were no problems. Fillers are an entirely different issue indeed.

In summary, if the powder charge fills the case, and the lube grooves are not exposed, I would not expect any problems. Beyond that it is getting out of my particular experience.
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Old 03-08-2011, 03:35 PM
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MikeG, Is there a link that will give us the "Gas Checks for Dummies" course? I tried the search at the top right side and found all I need on Fire Lapping but didn't find much on gas checks. thanks, brewster7

Sorry, I think this is what you call hijacking a link.
Maybe, but it is a pretty simple answer anyway. If accuracy goes down as velocity goes up, or you get bad lead fouling with plain base bullets, then gas checks should help. They can't cure everything but they are simply more tolerant of poor barrel and high speeds than plain base bullets.
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Maybe someone could write a "Gas-Checks for Dummies" article and post it under Tech Notes, in the Resource Center? I'm sure Marshall will know whether or not it is safe to seat a GC bullet lower than the base of the neck. Just thinking about it, if the gas-check was below that junction of the case neck and body, when you fired the round, it seems like the potential for it to get caught on the inside of the case would be pretty high. Maybe this is one of those situations where logic is refuted by fact and it doesn't really matter...I don't know. I guess that's why I'm asking questions.
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Old 03-08-2011, 05:18 PM
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Well, considering a primer can push a bullet quite a way into the throat by itself... that's what makes me think it's a non-issue. Seems like it will be down into the barrel before the powder even gets burning. After all the great majority of the force is against the base and linear to the bore. Plus the inside of the case is funnel-shaped, so what would it get caught up on?

I admit my post is just what comes to mind, and I do not know the answer for sure.
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Hey Guys, this Wiki Definition gives a fair explaination of the whys and wherefores of gas checks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_check
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