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Old 05-16-2011, 05:41 PM
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Do any of you shoot Hornady 160 gr. FTX ammo. I would like to know if it is safe in the Marlin 336 lever action.
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That's what it was made for...
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:39 PM
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I shot it in my Marlins and Winchesters without any problem. Excellent ammunition.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:17 PM
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That's what it was made for...
+1 yep, there's also a newer 140gr Monoflex bullet that is the GMX only it has the flex tip on it as well.
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Old 05-19-2011, 05:56 PM
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I'm curious about this technology. Does it really improve the utility of the .30-30 and a good ole' fashioned Sierra or Speer on deer?

Any experience on 150-200yd shots to compare?

I have not shot a lot of game with a .30-30, having maintained a safe with 7-08's, .243's, 06's, and such. The longest shot I've ever taken with a .30-30 is maybe 75-80yds. (The closest was 9 paces).
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LeverEvolution ammo does offer more range and a bit more punch than standard loadings -- but it is not as great an improvement as Hornady's advertizing claims. If you check Hornady's ballistic tables, you will see that trajectory comparisons are made with the 160 gr. LE load zeroed 3" high at 100 yds. and the standard 170 gr. load zeroed dead-on at 100 yds. Crank that 170 up to 3" high, and a great deal of the advantage shown for the LE load disappears.

Now, the LE does have greater retained energy at longer ranges due to its higher velocity and pointy bullet shape. This certainly can be considered something of an advantage, but with good bullet plcaement it really isn't much of one.

The fact is, standard .30-30 loads can do fine work out to 150-200 yards, assuming an accurate rifle and skilled shooter. If you need a 300 yard gun, there are far better choices than any .30-30, no matter how souped-up or exotic.
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I agree with Pisgah, for sure. The LE ammo gives you maybe another 50 yards of useful PBR, which isn't all that much, in the real world. However, a lot of guys are claiming greatly improved accuracy with the gummy-tipped bullets, which may aid in the all-important, oft-referenced shot placement. IF...the LE ammo allows you to place a bullet more accurately at ranges of 200 yards or more, along with the higher retained velocity/energy, it just might make the added cost worth it.

A lot depends on how you hunt and whether or not you want to push the performance envelope with a cartridge that is nearing it's 130th birthday! Certainly there are better choices today, but there might not be any better option than the LE ammo, if you want to make an old gun sing just a little louder.
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Old 05-20-2011, 05:46 AM
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I shot the Hornady's in my 30-30 336 and the accuracy was horrible.
The Remington Core-Lokt 170Gr gave me the best results.
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Old 05-20-2011, 08:45 AM
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I'll add just one comment about long-range hunting in general...

Let's say that you know your rifle better than you know your wife, and the load you have developed makes teeny little groups way out there. You have practiced and studied for years, and can read the vagaries of distance, wind, and mirage like a seer. In short, on paper you never, ever miss, or even go just a bit astray.

There is still one factor that makes long shots a matter of chance, and it is a factor over which you have absolutely no control -- the animal being shot at.

In 1/3 to 1/2 of a second, a big game animal can easily take an unexpected step or two, and that is more than enough to turn a sure kill shot in to a horrible wounding shot. How long does it take a bullet to travel out to 300 or 400 yards? Well, it varies, of course, but you're usually looking at 1/3 to 1/2 a second, even with a speedster round.

I rarely get shots at anything approaching 300 yards, but when I do I rarely take them, even though I have the rifles and the skills to pull it off -- most of the time. I just care too much about the animals to take the risk, unless I am A) in a survival situation (which I never have been, yet); or, B) the animal is already wounded and getting ready to escape.
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Good post, Pisgah. In my opinion the LE ammo is not what it is advertised to be. (I was nearly banned from the Marlin Owners forum for saying that). If the Speer 30-30 bullet is pushed to the same velocity as the Hornady LE bullet the difference in impact point at three hundred yards is only 3/4 inch! Is that worth while or just another gun myth? Since a spire point bullet offers no advantage until range exceeds about 250 to 300 yards then there is no benefit there either. I shot pointed bullets in my tube magazines for years with no issues (another myth) and discontinued the use because the old blunt nose CoreLokt killed better than the pointed bullets. YMMV

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Old 05-21-2011, 04:58 AM
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. (I was nearly banned from the Marlin Owners forum for saying that). .
Not surprised, it's a fan club, not a useful forum.

I scoped my 336 to check loads, and found that it would consistantly turn in 3" groups at 200yds from a bench. Then I put a lyman peep on it for hunting. I really wanted it for the occassional hunt in ME, and the Adirondacks in NY, where it's really the perfect rifle for that kind of hunting.

I think I'll just stick with 170gr Sierra's
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>the LE ammo is not what it is advertised to be.

Oh, it delivers on its performance claims. It's "better" than standard .30-30, just doesn't beat regular ol'.30-30 nearly as much as they would have you believe. It "beats" the old stuff. My question is simply, "So what?" It certainly doesn't turn the .30-30 in to anything like a .308.
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Don't have a 30-30, but I've felt that the LE 357 rounds are an answer in search of a question. Even with pointy bullets, 150 yards would be extreme long range in a 357 rifle and I wouldn't take a shot over 100. And under 100 yards, I don't see any advantage to a rubber tipped pointy bullet.

As for Marlin Owners being a fan club, not all of us are like that.

Edit: Curiousity got the better of me and I checked the Hornady website to find out the velocity on the 357 LE (1850 muzzle). I get higher velocities with a 158gr XTP using H110 (1980 muzzle). Like I said, an answer in search of a question.
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Old 05-21-2011, 03:59 PM
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Ive said the same thing about Hornady over there on the Marlin site,,and didn't have a problem with it............................

Its pretty simple,,,,,,It just dont get the job done in some guns.

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Don't have a 30-30, but I've felt that the LE 357 rounds are an answer in search of a question. Even with pointy bullets, 150 yards would be extreme long range in a 357 rifle and I wouldn't take a shot over 100. And under 100 yards, I don't see any advantage to a rubber tipped pointy bullet.

As for Marlin Owners being a fan club, not all of us are like that.

Edit: Curiousity got the better of me and I checked the Hornady website to find out the velocity on the 357 LE (1850 muzzle). I get higher velocities with a 158gr XTP using H110 (1980 muzzle). Like I said, an answer in search of a question.
Willy, you are one of the goods ones. There are some great guys over on Marlin Owners. But some, not all, of the Moderators are very opinionated and will not accept disagreement. Some of the moderators believe themselves to be infallible.

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Willy, you are one of the goods ones. There are some great guys over on Marlin Owners. But some, not all, of the Moderators are very opinionated and will not accept disagreement. Some of the moderators believe themselves to be infallible.

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Thumbs up Hornady Bullets

After shooting ALL the major brands of ammo in my Marlin 336C in .30-30 I tried the Hornady LeverEvolution 160 gr. FTX bullets. WOW, what a difference! The gun has a Bushnell Banner 4X shotgun scope on it and the final sight in gave me a 7 shot group you can cover with a silver dollar at 100 yards. I haven't had a chance to use it on game yet but I've only heard and read great things about this cartridge. Hope this helps!
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