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Old 12-16-2011, 07:53 PM
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Go with the 44. I love my 45/70 GG. But just bought a 44, and I guide full time in grizzly country.
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:50 PM
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Go with the 44. I love my 45/70 GG. But just bought a 44, and I guide full time in grizzly country.
Yukon, what do you feed your .44 while you're walking around in the boondocks?
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:10 AM
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Current myth states that when hunting within the Great Plains states, a hunter must have a plastic stocked bolt action rifle chambered for the latest magnum cartridge. The myth goes on to state that 44MAG and 45-70 have such horrible trajectories that they're only useful within heavy brush, at best. These myths ignore the widespread popularity of a few generations ago when 44-40 and 45-70 were FAVORED among western hunters. When 30-30 was first introduced, it was marveled for its FLAT trajectory. The modern hunter has much to learn by reviewing past successes of others.

Both cartridges have benefited from modern flex tip ammo by Hornady. I still hunt with hollow tip flat nose ammo because its deadly power is impressive to me. It works!

I prefer 44MAG for its moderate recoil and hard hitting power. This South Dakota buck was taken after an exciting stalk in fairly flat country. Distance was approx 85 yards or so at the shot.

I've never owned a 45-70 but it's been proven where ever game is hunted including Europe and Africa.

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Old 12-21-2011, 10:58 AM
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Current myth states that when hunting within the Great Plains states, a hunter must have a plastic stocked bolt action rifle chambered for the latest magnum cartridge.
Actually, Most of the 200 or so deer, 2 of the three bears, and half the elk I've shot, somewhere between Maine and Arizona, I've taken with a bow. I'd never feel "short" with a .30-30 or .44 Magnum rifle.
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Old 12-29-2011, 06:41 PM
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If I didn't handload and I had to make the choice I'd go with a 450 Marlin. It allows you to buy off the shelf what you can make on your loader.

I do load and I got a 45-70 Highwall but the off the shelf ammo for the 45-70 is anemic to say the least, and people who will tell you that you can get +P ammo must not own a 45-70. I've looked, even Bass Pro doesn't stock it here, can't imagine finding it at the hardware store on a hunting trip..

I've Chrono'ed Remington's 45-70 405 grain stuff, 980 to 1025 out of a 24" barrel. That's weak. I've also chronoed my hunting buddies 450 Marlin 325 lever revolution loads, out of the box at 2050 from his 20" tube.

A 44 mag is a good carbine, but if someone is considering something bigger the 450 deserves consideration.
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man some of you guys are ridiculous, I would take my winny 94 .44mag trapper and go against a polar bear.
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Old 01-10-2012, 10:12 AM
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Not sure why all the sarcasism. No body here will recommend a 44 trapper against big bear. The 44 will inspire confidence when a heavy hard cast(and even some jacketed) bullet will go end to end on deer and pigs breaking bone along the way. When hunting animals that can eat you most people will carry the most gun they can handle and afford and the 44mag usually ain't it. But I would much rather carry a stoutly loaded 44 trapper when faced with a polar bear than the rifles many of the natives up north have used for hunting them.
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243, most of the posters are talking like they're standing in front of the man eating animal like in a boxing ring. I would guarantee it with my life I could stop any bear with my .44 mag winny.
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243, most of the posters are talking like they're standing in front of the man eating animal like in a boxing ring. I would guarantee it with my life I could stop any bear with my .44 mag winny.
As long as you're betting your life and not mine I'm fine with that. But given the choice mine is the other one in this picture
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If I didn't handload and I had to make the choice I'd go with a 450 Marlin. It allows you to buy off the shelf what you can make on your loader.
Only problem with that is, finding the shelf it's sitting on. Which is somewhat also true for the 45.70, but nearly every shelf has 44's.
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As long as you're betting your life and not mine I'm fine with that. But given the choice mine is the other one in this picture
I understand but if I am going somewhere and the possibility that bears are lurking, I will have my 10mm glock on my hip with 16 rounds lurking as well as my 9 round 44mag trapper.
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I understand but if I am going somewhere and the possibility that bears are lurking, I will have my 10mm glock on my hip with 16 rounds lurking as well as my 9 round 44mag trapper.
After hearing about the fella that actually killed a Grizzly with a .45 auto in Alaska last year, sounds like a decent plan to me!!
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I understand but if I am going somewhere and the possibility that bears are lurking, I will have my 10mm glock on my hip with 16 rounds lurking as well as my 9 round 44mag trapper.
Just leave the hollowpoints at home. Unless you feel you'll have time to watch him bleed to death, while he's eating your legs.
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