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Old 08-02-2011, 07:52 PM
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Ok, I was talkin to a friend of mine about bear hunting and rifles we use and told me to try the 45/70 factory remington 405's. He said unbelievable penetration is achieved with that slow ol' bullet. He seems pretty confident that the factory 405's work on bear just as well as any other "hot loads" available for the 45/70. Just seems such a slow bullet to be such a bear slayer. Anyone have any close range experiences on larger game, particularly black bear. Please let me know. Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-03-2011, 09:06 AM
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Bullets don't have to be fast to go through a lot of critter. I have shot two bison with loads from 1,000 to 1,300fps and gotten through and through penetration. This with handguns, but the same principles apply.
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:51 PM
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Ok, I was talkin to a friend of mine about bear hunting and rifles we use and told me to try the 45/70 factory remington 405's. He said unbelievable penetration is achieved with that slow ol' bullet. He seems pretty confident that the factory 405's work on bear just as well as any other "hot loads" available for the 45/70. Just seems such a slow bullet to be such a bear slayer. Anyone have any close range experiences on larger game, particularly black bear. Please let me know. Thanks in advance.
I have killed a few hogs with Rem factory 405 loads. They seemed to work fine. I guess penetration was adequate as it was complete( no bullet recovered). I have used the BTB LFN 405 gr in handloads and taken deer with it. No problems there and complete penetration. I have not shot bear or larger game with them. After shooting various loads, I do not "need" hot 45/70 loads as the regular loads seem to have worked well for my hunting. I have used BTB 350 gr also and it has worked well. I am still looking for the perfect load in 45/70 but I am sure it will end up being a moderate velocity load and not one of the hot higher velocity loads.
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Old 08-04-2011, 05:13 AM
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Back in the last century (actually the other last century) the 45-70 killed critters big and small using loads very similar to the factory 405. Not much has changed since then (well, except we have cars, planes, interstates, huge deficits.... you get the picture!) and that bullet will still kill a big critter just fine. At the ranges most hunt bear-over-bait, it shouldn't be an issue whatsoever.

Although it's not the load I use in my 1895 for bear-over-bait, I surely would never say it's not completely adequate. It's simply not flat shooting, having a very looping trajectory outside 100 yards, but again, this is a moot point on B-O-B.

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Remington's Factory 405 grain ammo, as well as the 300, is loaded to safe specs, allowing it to be used in old trapdoors and such. It'll have plenty of penetration and punch to get the job done. While I do have some hotter handloads for my 1895 guide gun, MOST of the stuff I feed mine fares about the same speed as the remington factory ammo. I've been using some cast performance bullets, Remington 405's, as well as some Beartooth. it's a big bullet that will penetrate most animals if placed correctly.
I won't even describe what the factory 300 ammo will do to a woodchuck we spooked. ....messy

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Old 08-04-2011, 02:22 PM
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I won't even describe what the factory 350 ammo will do to a woodchuck we spooked. ....messy

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Old 08-04-2011, 03:39 PM
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Remington's Factory 405 grain ammo, as well as the 350, is loaded to safe specs, allowing it to be used in old trapdoors and such. It'll have plenty of penetration and punch to get the job done. While I do have some hotter handloads for my 1895 guide gun, MOST of the stuff I feed mine fares about the same speed as the remington factory ammo. I've been using some cast performance bullets, Remington 405's, as well as some Beartooth. it's a big bullet that will penetrate most animals if placed correctly.
I won't even describe what the factory 350 ammo will do to a woodchuck we spooked. ....messy

Just for the record, I know of no 350gr ammo loaded to "old" specs for a 45-70. The 300, 325 & 405 stuff is safe in anything. The 350s I've seen are high horsepower, built to compete with .450/350. I wouldn't want anyone to have a kaboom.....problem.
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well the last factory 45/70 ammo I purchased, close to 8 years ago, the box actually stated ' for use in all firearms'. They have subsequently been shot and reloaded with other bullets.

I do stand corrected, the Factory Remington ammo of which I spoke was 300 grain, NOT 350.

Look at this page, Box clearly says [for use in all firearms]

Remington Express Ammunition 45-70 Government 300 Grain Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point Box of 20 - MidwayUSA
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Good info guys. You think it would break a shoulder bone?
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Good info guys. You think it would break a shoulder bone?
i dunno, that 405 grain bullet might just bounce off the shoulder
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Good info guys. You think it would break a shoulder bone?
Not only yeah, but h*ll yeah!!
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Right on!! Gonna give em a shot in the next couple weeks. Will let you guys know how it worked out. Thanks for the info.
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Your shoulder, or ???

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Your shoulder, or ???

Sorry, couldn't resist!
Now, that there was funny, darn funny...lol!!
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The Remington factory loads will slam a hog for sure, I doubt they would disappoint on black bears either.
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Your shoulder, or ???

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I laughed at your comment because I was thinking the same thing you were. But then I remembered how I had to promise my orthopedic surgeon that I would reduce the recoil of any of my rifles that recoil more than the 38 spl/357. So all my guns have Limbsaver recoil pads, even a M-92 levergun in 480 Ruger. So while the both of us thought the same thing as a response, I was reminded instantly of the need to protect my shoulders. Neither I nor my orthopedic surgeon want to repeat the shoulder joint replacement operations I had on both sides. The days of being punched by a hard kicking rifle are over. Luckily I grew up with most rifles having some sort of buttpads except the 22 lr or a 30-30 levergun with either a plastic or metal buttplate. I must admit most pads were thin and more for protection of the buttstock than the shooter. The black Limbsaver pads don't look too bad even on leverguns. I thought it would look fugly on the 1895 Cowboy but was surprised by how good it looks. The pads are even allowed for leverguns in SASS as medical reality trumps period correctness. I may be wimpy but I have more company now that I am in a higher age bracket. Let the young healthy guys shoot the guns with the plastic or steel buttplates. Black and blue are not my favorite colors unless we are talking about clothes. The fact that I still find our responses to Dave_1 funny shows that in my case a diagnosis of dementia is very likely. Two shoulder joint replacements and my next rifle will be a CZ 550 full stock in 9.3x62...yup, dementia for sure.
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I recon they didn't have any trouble using'em back in the black powder days.
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