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Old 08-19-2011, 06:42 AM
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Just picked up an unusual Winchester 1894 30-30. Never have seen one like it. 20" half round, half octagon barrel. Barrel has a vent rib the entire length. Flat butt plate with a checkered stock. Very long forend with steel cap. Has the Marbles tang peep sight. Wood appears to be walnut. Made in 1921. Any insight would be appreciated.

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Sounds like a customized rifle to me. By whom, I wouldn't know.
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I have collected and studied these for 45 years so I do have some knowledge. Your rifle seems to be a frankenstein, built by a gunsmith. It would be very interesting to view photos of this gun.
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I have collected and studied these for 45 years so I do have some knowledge. Your rifle seems to be a frankenstein, built by a gunsmith. It would be very interesting to view photos of this gun.
+1 agreed, post some pics if you can. Thanks
I googled the description of this gun and found this page on Winchester's site. They must have made your gun for a period of time for Oliver Winchester's 100th Birthday Anniversary and then again in 2010 for his 200th Birthday Anniversary in two Limited Edition's.
http://www.winchesterguns.com/librar...ail.asp?id=219

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Old 08-20-2011, 09:51 AM
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I have collected and studied these for 45 years so I do have some knowledge. Your rifle seems to be a frankenstein, built by a gunsmith. It would be very interesting to view photos of this gun.
Well then this gunsmith worked for Winchester because it sure don't look Frankensteined. Best way to post pics?
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:52 AM
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+1 agreed, post some pics if you can. Thanks
I googled the description of this gun and found this page on Winchester's site. They must have made your gun for a period of time for Oliver Winchester's 100th Birthday Anniversary and then again in 2010 for his 200th Birthday Anniversary in two Limited Edition's.
Page Not Found -- Winchester Repeating Arms
Where on this website did you see this rifle?
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After studying these for 45 years and having many books in my library devoted to this model of gun, all that I have read many times, I have never heard or seen of a 20" 1/2 round barrel. Next I have never heard, seen or saw cataloged from Winchester, a ribbed barrel. Checkered stocks were custom only. Flat buttplates were also a custom shop option only in 1921. The long forend with and steel forend cap indicate that this was originally a rifle and not a carbine. Long forends on short rifles have always lead to suspition of altered full length rifles. Again photos would be a big help.
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Where on this website did you see this rifle?
Well you can go to Winchester's website and click on the Model 1894, then pick the Super High Grade, I think it's the top choice out of three. Also you can Google The Winchester Model 94 Returns and that's the page I was trying to show in the other post.
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After studying these for 45 years and having many books in my library devoted to this model of gun, all that I have read many times, I have never heard or seen of a 20" 1/2 round barrel. Next I have never heard, seen or saw cataloged from Winchester, a ribbed barrel. Checkered stocks were custom only. Flat buttplates were also a custom shop option only in 1921. The long forend with and steel forend cap indicate that this was originally a rifle and not a carbine. Long forends on short rifles have always lead to suspition of altered full length rifles. Again photos would be a big help.
Check out this 20" half round on GunBroker Auction # 244095884. Was this Frankensteined too??
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It's most likely a custom rifle, not a cataloged item, whether it came from Winchester built to a customer's specifications or was put together outside of Winchester by a gunsmith. If your Winchester is old enough you can get a Cody letter giving you the rifle's history from new. If not, then you have a unique Winchester, maybe the only one of it in the world.
Going to get that Cody Letter for sure. I just wish I could post pics to show you guys. I've gotten several instructions, but none of them work. Is there a waiting period for new members to post pics?
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Check out this 20" half round on GunBroker Auction # 244095884. Was this Frankensteined too??
That indeed is an interesing rifle but without closer examination it appears to be altered. The front magazine tube retainer appears to be located to close to the muzzle. Correct measurement are the key to determining originality. This rifle with a 21" barrel would be VERY unusual as very few rifles had uneven lenght barrels. I would love to study this rifle closer.
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It's most likely a custom rifle, not a cataloged item, whether it came from Winchester built to a customer's specifications or was put together outside of Winchester by a gunsmith. If your Winchester is old enough you can get a Cody letter giving you the rifle's history from new. If not, then you have a unique Winchester, maybe the only one of it in the world.
Google The Winchester Model 94 Returns, Winchester is making these again in two Limited Editions for Oliver's 200th B-Day. The barrel is a different length but that's for the most part the only difference. They are beautiful guns
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Going to get that Cody Letter for sure. I just wish I could post pics to show you guys. I've gotten several instructions, but none of them work. Is there a waiting period for new members to post pics?
Yes you have to have a certain number of posts first before you can put up pics. You can use Photobucket though and then provide the link is how they do that I believe.
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Try this link to posting pictures:
http://www.shootersforum.com/beartoo...picutures.html
Must have 25 posts before you can post pictures or you can use photobucket until then. You need just a few more posts.
I would like to see pics of the Win. too.
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Photos of unusual winchester

Ok, this is the first time I have posted on this site but I have what I think in a frankenstein according to the post. Same info as the guy before me, 1894, 1/2 oct. 1/2 round barrell, builit 1921, lyman sight, 30wcf, and the vent rib. I tried to get a cody letter but all that survived on the gun was the date manufacturing began. I am interested in what you think the gun is and if you could comment on the value. I am a little purplexed at this point. How, do I insert photos?
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I am a little perplexed at this point. How, do I insert photos?
You must be a member of the forum for 10 days in addition to having a post count of either 20 or 25 posts, I can't remember which. Post count is easy, just jump in and spread the knowledge.

Sounds like an interesting Winchester you have.


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Use Photobucket or other third party host. Sounds like a neat gun.
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