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Old 10-28-2011, 09:14 PM
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Yeah, I wish. Why doesn't anybody make a production 50 cal lever action? The 500 jrh or even the 500 s&w would be awesome. Seems like there is one out in 500 s&w, but its crazy expensive.
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:04 AM
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Probably not needed, or, would not be in great demand. Yes, there is a 50 cal lever gun in the S&W cartridge,....and, it IS expensive. With the Alaskan, and host of other wildcats, and, the 45-70, 450 Marlin, and even the 444 Marlin, a lever gun can produce all the power needed to take anything on earth. I modified a Marlin 444 XLR to shoot a 405 grain bullet at 2150+ fps........4100+ ft lbs of energy. If that isnt enough to get the job done.......what is? Vince Lupo took Africas Big Five with a standard 45-70 and Randy Garretts ammo....nothing spectacular there, so anything in the ball park or better would negate a 50 cal in a lever gun....unless of course somebody just had to have one!
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:55 AM
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How many of the round or guns out there today are really needed? I just think it would be cool.
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Old 10-29-2011, 09:16 AM
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........excellent point!!!!
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Maybe you mean "cheap" instead of "production".

What's the matter with paying the tarrif for a Big Horn Armory Model 89 production .500 S&W Carbine ? IF you REALLY wanted one, i.e.



Here it is, compared (top) to a Rossi model 92 (bottom):



As usual - If you wanna play, you gotta pay.

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Old 10-29-2011, 01:29 PM
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Rangr44; One of the good points about that rifle is that it gives the S&W X frame 500 a "partner".....get one load to shoot well in both, and you would really have a winning combination. ........been trying to do the same with my 44 mag revolvers and a Marlin 1894...problem is, I cant find a used stainless 1894..........and dont have the funds for a new one.

By the way, how much do those cost?
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:34 PM
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You could also get a Turnbull 1886, or conversion, in 50 Alaskan or .50-110 (50 Express.)
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Maybe you mean "cheap" instead of "production".

What's the matter with paying the tarrif for a Big Horn Armory Model 89 production .500 S&W Carbine ? IF you REALLY wanted one, i.e.



Here it is, compared (top) to a Rossi model 92 (bottom):



As usual - If you wanna play, you gotta pay.

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I wouldn't call the Model 89 "Production" yet. They have been scheduled to ship now for well over a year, but I have yet to hear of anyone receiving one. I almost ordered one in June 2010 when they were set to ship in another month or two, and I am glad I didn't. I don't have that kind of patience.
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I would love to have one in 50bmg. That would be fun.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:41 PM
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"I would love to have one in 50bmg. That would be fun."

Until you pull the trigger the first time..............OUCH!!!
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Old 11-06-2011, 01:12 PM
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I have been whining for over a decade to Marlin trying to get them to make their 1895 in .50 AK so I can have a reasonably priced mate for my Encore .50 AK pistol. I've drooled over the Wild West Guns .50 AK conversion for decades but the price! There is always a catch. If you are going to go .50 then go all the way and use a real .510 caliber rifle bullet. The .50 AK will leave the .500 S&W in the dirt in a good strong action and even out of a 12 inch handgun, the .50 AK will trump the .500 S&W and do it at lower pressures, albeit with a bit more powder which translates into a bit more recoil even if you held them at the same velocities.
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Mic McPherson will convert a Marlin 1894 to 50AE for you ...
What is Possible with the Marlin?

Dave Clay offers a levergun in a variety of big bore calibers, including the 500 S&W and 500 Linebaugh
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I think that Jack Huntington will also. So, the options are out there.
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Probably not needed, or, would not be in great demand. Yes, there is a 50 cal lever gun in the S&W cartridge,....and, it IS expensive. With the Alaskan, and host of other wildcats, and, the 45-70, 450 Marlin, and even the 444 Marlin, a lever gun can produce all the power needed to take anything on earth. I modified a Marlin 444 XLR to shoot a 405 grain bullet at 2150+ fps........4100+ ft lbs of energy. If that isnt enough to get the job done.......what is? Vince Lupo took Africas Big Five with a standard 45-70 and Randy Garretts ammo....nothing spectacular there, so anything in the ball park or better would negate a 50 cal in a lever gun....unless of course somebody just had to have one!
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I can bairly get my 450M to shoot a 400g bullet at 2100ft/sec.

What dif you do?

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Old 11-08-2011, 08:11 AM
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I'm not really looking for the biggest most powerful lever action. There is already Wild West Guns's 50 Alaskan. Actually, I think one chambered in 500 jrh would be cool. Reasonably low pressure, fairly short case. It would be like a 50 long colt. You could put it in a light gun like a Winchester 94(?) Or Rossi.
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Why not use the 50-70 Gov't?

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At what pressure?

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Old 11-08-2011, 04:42 PM
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When was the last time you saw a 50-70 lever action?
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When was the last time you saw a 50-70 lever action?
Never. Just like I haven't seen one in 500 JRH but wouldn't one be nice? Isn't that the idea of this thread in a sense.....that it would be neat to have a .50 cal lever gun ( for less than the four figures of the Alaskan Co-pilot)? I mean, if Marlin can make a 45-70 lever gun, they could probably make a 50-70 lever gun.
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Pete D; "At what pressure"..............42,000, why do you ask?
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I've been following your work on the Marlin, Flattop, but haven't come across just HOW and WHAT mods you did...I would certainly love to see a Marlin modified to do what you say is possible without costing an arm and a leg.

I know what Mic Mc, Noonan and the other Leversmiths are doing and what their costs are...and I checked out DRC and see he has started from scratch with his own receiver, but basically only for the shorter cartridges...wish I could come up with $2500 for one of his Masterpieces.


2150fs at 42K WHAT...PSI or CUP is pushing credulity a bit...for a case that size.

Can you give me the COAL and powder type and barrel length so I can run some QL data?

I ran some rough numbers last night...22" bbl, 405 Beartooth WFNGC and even at 2.72" COAL using a PSI a bit over what is recommended for the Marlin receiver I could only get a bit over 2050fs with a 22" bbl.

I do understand and know where the weak points are in the Marlin and how to overcome them to a certain extent, but I would need to know a LOT more for me to accept your numbers at face value.

I'm not disputing your veracity, but I've been at this game a very long time and those numbers are raising all kinds of bells and whistles in light of the research and calculations I've done with my own "conversions".

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