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Old 02-07-2012, 07:19 PM
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Thoughts on Hornady "LEVERevolution" ammo


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For those of us who do not do custom loads, what do you think of Hornady's LEVERevolution rounds for range and accuracy in a lever gun? I have a Rossi 92 in .45 Colt and a Winchester 94 in .30-30, and would like to try it in both. The .45 is a 225 gr bullet and the .30-30 is 160 gr.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:56 AM
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I have only used the FTX bullets in handloaded ammunition, but the accuracy has been very good and the range is slightly extended over the flat-pointed stuff. The 30/30 benefits from it more than the 45 Colt. For the Colt, I'd just stick with an XTP or other quality handgun bullet, since so little is gained from the FTX.
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I use them in my BLR in 450 Marlin and am quite happy.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:55 AM
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I also use them in my .450 BLR and they shoot very well. I've also tried them in 30/30, .308ME, .35 Rem, .444 Marlin and 45-70. All have given me excellent performance and accuracy from all those cartridges (and rifles) except the 30/30 version. I am sure, however, that it's just my 30/30, a Savage M219, that doesn't like them as most others who have tried the 30/30 version rave about the typical accuracy. A couple of my big bores are actually scary accurate with LeverEvolution ammo.

For what it's worth, I agree with the comment about the .45/225gr version. I feel, for hunting, both the .45 and .44mag are better served with heavier bullets from a carbine if after deer, hogs and similar sized game. That 160gr bullet is designed especially for the 30/30 and tuned to it's velocity range. It is not the same 160gr FTX bullet that's used in the .308ME.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:02 AM
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I shoot 160 gr 30-30 and 165 gr 32 Win spcl. I can't see much difference with the 30-30 but that's probably my fault. Old eyes and iron 'notch and bead' sights are a little iffy at 100 yards for me anymore. The 32 Win spcl with the aperture sights my groups got cut in half from 4" to 2".
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:13 AM
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For range and accuracy, their ammo is great (consistently under MOA in a good rifle). I'm guessing that their jackets are thin because along with the accuracy you also get blow-ups on game. I want to section one for a look, but it is likely to be a month away.

As long as your game is thin skinned or you are a target shooter, the ammunition shouldn't be ignored.

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Old 02-12-2012, 05:36 PM
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In my .35 Remington the LeverEvolution ammo was very accurate and a great hunting bullet. Out of my 1894 .45 the results as far as accuracy was mediocre but I never used it for hunting.
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:43 AM
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Gents,

After a admittedly a rather shallow sampling, but I've wondered about them. My Sergeant Major put a 12 gauge flex headed bullet, (the 2000?) through the head of a rather robust pig sidewise under the eyes, and I was impressed.

Another buddy of mine with his 444 marlin and the 265 grain offereing shot a spike deer behind the shoulder, the damage of which caused me to think that it may be a shade soft. No exit, you see, although the entrance wound area looked like crater lake. I'd hate to call them soft without a higher sampling, but I am curious.

It was usual, always good to hear from my TN neighbor and the good words about the 160 grain 30 caliber designed to higher expansion thresholds, because I did worry on that one too. My gun is a 307, and the 160 FTX shoots very well in that rifle. Figured if it was only 30-30 constructed, and I had a mental preoocupation with softeness, they could have gotten left behind. Thank you TN Hunter, as usual Sir.

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It works well in my Puma M92 .357mag.
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I don't know what advantge to flextips would really - in the real world - give me at 150 yards over my 30-30 handloads - 170 grain Hornday FP's over 34.1 grains of RL15 - chronos at 2100-2150 FPS - i use a 150 yard zero. It is a little over 2 1/2" high at 100 yards and about 6 1/2" low at 200 yards (IF my 54 year old eyes allow that shot, ambient illumination allowing).
If I anticipate routinely taking shots over 150 yards, I'll use my scoped
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:47 PM
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I don't know what advantge to flextips would really - in the real world - give me at 150 yards over my 30-30 handloads - 170 grain Hornday FP's over 34.1 grains of RL15 - chronos at 2100-2150 FPS - i use a 150 yard zero. It is a little over 2 1/2" high at 100 yards and about 6 1/2" low at 200 yards (IF my 54 year old eyes allow that shot, ambient illumination allowing).
If I anticipate routinely taking shots over 150 yards, I'll use my scoped
30-06 98 Mauser or scoped Savage 99 308.
If you like them and they work for you - great. I wish you great hunting luck - always.
Well, Nate...since you asked.

The advantage FTX bullets would give a guy who doesn't have a backup 30-'06 for longer shots is increased accuracy and modestly increased range, from the gun he DOES HAVE. The 160gr FTX LeverEvolution loads crank up around 2,400fps. Sight this load in 3" high at 100 yards and it's dead on at 200 and only 5" low at 250 yards. From zero to 225, you hold dead on and if your laser range-finder says he's at 250, you can hold high on the shoulder.

For guys who only have a SCOPED 30/30, that sounds like an advantage to me.
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broom_jm, Makes sense to me. The one gun guy has the most to gain, apparently.
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Another indirect benefit is higher impact velocities. At the longer .30-30 ranges, it could be the difference between getting reliable bullet expansion or not.

"Could" as there are other factors. Certainly the jacket thickness and core hardness are the main factors. But, if those bullets will expand as readily as ordinary .30-30 bullets, then their effectiveness could carry farther downrange.

Would like to see some expansion tests at 200+ yards before concluding this to be absolutely true.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:50 AM
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Just a FYI thought: the Leverevolution cases in the 45-70 are shorter than other cases and will cause some problems if you plan to reload them. I just found this out. I didn't quite believe it but I have a new, full box of this ammo and measured the case. Yup, it's shorter.
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I'm satisfied with them in my .308MX especially after I had the barrel recrowned. They didn't shoot that well before that. I would like to hear more from the .45-70 guys on the 325-grainers before I try any. I have almost 1000 rounds of reloads for my Guide Gun and don't need to buy the gummy tips, but.... if I heard great reports I'd try a box.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:40 PM
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I'm satisfied with them in my .308MX especially after I had the barrel recrowned. They didn't shoot that well before that. I would like to hear more from the .45-70 guys on the 325-grainers before I try any. I have almost 1000 rounds of reloads for my Guide Gun and don't need to buy the gummy tips, but.... if I heard great reports I'd try a box.
The 350 grain Hornady SP and IMR 3031 powder go together like apple pie & ice cream in my .45-70.
Great accuracy at the moderate ranges the gun was made for.
I think the low SD of the 325 grain bullet would cancel out most of the benefit of the "pointy" profile.
In the bigger calibers you have to sacrifice too much bullet weight to create the "pointy" profile and still keep within the max OAL limits.
Lowering bullet weights lowers both bullet SD and BC cancelling out the ballistic advantage of the "pointy" profile.
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The 350 grain Hornady SP and IMR 3031 powder go together like apple pie & ice cream in my .45-70.
Great accuracy at the moderate ranges the gun was made for.
I think the low SD of the 325 grain bullet would cancel out most of the benefit of the "pointy" profile.
In the bigger calibers you have to sacrifice too much bullet weight to create the "pointy" profile and still keep within the max OAL limits.
Lowering bullet weights lowers both bullet SD and BC cancelling out the ballistic advantage of the "pointy" profile.
This is a great observation, Pdo. The FTX bullets offer diminishing returns, as the diameter gets larger. Still, I've got a buddy who takes advantage of the light bullet weight and the 460S&W case capacity to drive the 200gr FTX bullet at ~2,700fps from a 24" Encore barrel, with a muzzle brake. He's used it to take several deer and it does a nice job.

In larger calibers, the FTX allows you to shoot a lighter bullet, generate less recoil, and still have a somewhat decent BC, to retain velocity. As long as they hold together on impact, they'll arrive with a lot of authority.
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:20 AM
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The 350 grain Hornady SP and IMR 3031 powder go together like apple pie & ice cream in my .45-70.
Great accuracy at the moderate ranges the gun was made for.
I think the low SD of the 325 grain bullet would cancel out most of the benefit of the "pointy" profile.
In the bigger calibers you have to sacrifice too much bullet weight to create the "pointy" profile and still keep within the max OAL limits.
Lowering bullet weights lowers both bullet SD and BC cancelling out the ballistic advantage of the "pointy" profile.
The 350gr Hornady bullet is not produced in a typical 45-70 factory loading (although some high $$ loads do us it). Both the 325 FTX and 350gr Hornady are, however, produced in factory form for the very similar .450. Information from Hornady on both these loads do show an advantage going to the FTX load at any distance downrange and continuing through any useful hunting ranges. This advantage includes both energy and trajectory. The 350 is very accurate out of my 1895M and I used this load to take a Tennessee deer this past season (obviously with great success). My BLR in .450 is quite accurate with the 325 FTX (1.5" @ 100 yards) and it remains sighted with that load for now. In this case, the 45-70 can also do everything the .450 can do.

In the case of actual returns, the two loads are pretty darn close, but loaded to the hotter .450 Marlin numbers, the drop is about 4" more @ 200 yards between the loads, in favor of the FTX bullet. So, we are likely talking maybe a 25 yard advantage in the actual realm of MPBR. I would be the first to admit, though, that if something ornery were within 25-50 yards, I'd prefer the slightly better thump of the 350 with it's interlock design and exposed lead frontal area.
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Just a FYI thought: the Leverevolution cases in the 45-70 are shorter than other cases and will cause some problems if you plan to reload them. I just found this out. I didn't quite believe it but I have a new, full box of this ammo and measured the case. Yup, it's shorter.
NSB: Thanks for pointing that out--wasn't aware.

Regarding the OP's question, time constraints and a move prevented me from doing my normal 45/70 reloads. I tried the Flex Tips in my Ruger # 1 and was please with the accuracy. Have yet to shoot a deer with one.
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I've not tried this new ammo. For long range shooting, I load my 30-30 as a single shot with spitzer bullets.

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