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Old 05-11-2012, 05:45 PM
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I'm wondering how the new BLR's are. I've seen lots of complaints of pull the trigger and no go bang. A friend of mine had one like that and he got rid of it. He wouldn't take it hunting because he could never tell if it would fire or not. Are the new ones any better?

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Old 05-12-2012, 05:20 AM
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Mine is not a new one, it's about 10-12 years old, but it has been very reliable. I have one chambered in .243 with a Nikon 2-7 x 42 on it. The trigger is long and creepy on it, but every time I've pulled it, she went BANG. Maybe someone else will chime in on their experiences with it.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:25 AM
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I'm not sure where you heard there was issues with them firing, I've had mine for quite a few years (in a .358 Win) and it's not only been reliable, but shoots as well as my bolt guns.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:58 AM
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My 5 yeard old chambered in 30-06 has never misfired. It is not the breakdown model.
The gun is fun to shoot and is great for hunting. Not quite as accurate as the Rem 700, but faster on follow up shots, though thye are rarely needed.
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:29 AM
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I'm wondering how the new BLR's are. I've seen lots of complaints of pull the trigger and no go bang. A friend of mine had one like that and he got rid of it. He wouldn't take it hunting because he could never tell if it would fire or not. Are the new ones any better?
Curious to know a couple of things; First was your friend the original owner of that BLR? And secondly; did he ever disassemble it to clean it? The reason I ask is because the BLR is a far more complicated rifle than say a Marlin 336 to disassemble and reassemble correctly. There are definitely certain things that must be done and even a gunsmith will tell you, those things are not normally possible at the user level. There can be serious timing issues that can/will lead to headspacing issues, which may well be causing those problems you mentioned. Of course, along with the less serious issue of misfires, headspacing issues are also a serious safety issue. My guess would be that a previous owner or maybe your friend disassembled that rifle and never got it back, properly timed.

I've owned 7 or 8 BLRs and still own three now. I've never experienced any misfire in any of my BLRs which ranged in chamberings from 7/08 to .325WSM and .450 Marlin.
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No go bang.

My friend bought the rifle used. He only had it a short time and never had it apart. He got rid of it because sometimes it would fire, sometimes it wouldn't. His wasn't the only one with this problem . I've seen the same complaints in other forums.
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Tnhunter that's a good point on the disassembly. Particulary the trigger as my understanding is it has to be timed correctly and it's a trick, even for a gunsmith and typically has to go back to Browning.

Billy, do you have a link to those complaints? I've not seen many complaints and am interested. Im on a couple other forums and don't recall seeing any issues myself.
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The hammer & sear are very easy & simple to access (that's what your 'smith needs to access to polish things to make the trigger go from horrid to very good), and has nothing to do with the lever/bolt carrier timing.

If that one rifle didn't fire when the trigger was pulled, then the P.O. broke something and dumped the rifle because of it, IMO. Shouldn't have been tough to fix, whatever it was.

My BLR is certainly as accurate as a composite of current bolt guns, and it's super-quick handling and finished very well. My rifle _did_ fail to go bang once at the range ~2 weeks ago. Turns out I hadn't put the magazine in...
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My friend bought the rifle used. He only had it a short time and never had it apart. He got rid of it because sometimes it would fire, sometimes it wouldn't. His wasn't the only one with this problem . I've seen the same complaints in other forums.
As I said I've owned a good number of BLRs without issue. I'm also a big Marlin believer/owner as well. And let me clue you into something I've learned being an owner of several rifles built by both Marlin & Browning. Marlin owners love the simplicity of a Marlin 336 rifle, simply love it. Even I, with the mechanical skill of a 6 yr old can disassemble most of my Marlin rifle in about 3 minutes. So, when many Marlin owners decide to purchase a BLR, they simply think, "same thing!" Nope, not even close. I've read many of these horror stories and wonder why people (some) are so intent on taking apart their firearms. Some are not designed to simply get you a screwdriver and go at it. Sorry, they are not. Marlins? Yup they are designed for that, BUT not a BLR.

One last note here: I have purchased mostly new (all but one I never liked) BLRs, so never had to worry about a former owner taking tools to his rifle, screwing it up and simply selling it, still dorked up. I would not buy any used BLR today that didn't have a gunsmith's OK on. not one
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I should have put in a previous response that there could also be a failure to fire if the internals of the bolt (firing pin, etc.) get gummed up. I don't know exactly why this might happen short of dropping it in the mud, letting it soak a while, and never cleaning it. Perhaps there's one every so often that gets greased at the factory and not cleaned out, or something?
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Crusty grease in the firing hole will do that. New BLR's that I've purchased have had plenty of grease on the internals. I fixed a friend of mine that would mis fire in cold weather. Flushed out firing pin hole with Kroil . Put in the freezer to get it cold to test and it worked fine after that. That being said I 've owned many without any problems. Still have my 308 BLR and will never part with it, they are great guns. I still want one in 257 Roberts.
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Mine always goes "bang." Trigger sucks, but I have yet to find step-by-step instructions to addressing the hammer and sear to my satisfaction, and I don't want to screw it up. BTW, mine started life as a .308, but is now a .338 Federal.
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I've had four Steel BLR-81's, two Aluminum BLR-81's and one Steel BLR-(pre-81 with the clip that hangs down)
While only one had a good trigger, the early BLR had been worked on-(Top Bolt rail had been repaired), they all shot reliably and accurate except for one Steel BLR-81 that someone had botched a trigger job.

My $0.02 is the Newer aluminum receiver models have a more substantial barrel-(&front heavy) and the bolt movement seems more substantial. The old steel receivers seems lighter and more balanced to rear heavy-You do not have a warranty and parts may be scarce.
I would not hesitate to buy another in any of the configurations, they are all good.

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Old 05-16-2012, 01:56 PM
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Mine always goes "bang." Trigger sucks, but I have yet to find step-by-step instructions to addressing the hammer and sear to my satisfaction, and I don't want to screw it up. BTW, mine started life as a .308, but is now a .338 Federal.
Did you have it rebarreled or rebored to get a 338 Federal? Replacing the sear spring with a lighter one will help the trigger a lot. It can be done by taking off the stock and if I remember right is removing the sear pin and replacing the spring. I did it years ago and it made a 4 lb trigger.
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That's good to know. I checked on a re-barrel, but the takedown models are only made for/by browning, and they have a specific lock up that can affect operation of the rotary bolt, timing, headspace, etc. I haven't seen anyone that will sell a barrel without an action yet. I had it rebored by JES Reboring in Oregon. Chamber is clean. Fusions in 200gr just barely fit in the mag. I have bought a box of 180 accubonds to load, but I'm hoping to find a good 200gr bullet to load that (a) will seat in the mag, and (b) is accurate, so I can take advantage of the place I personally think this cartridge shines. Feel free to PM if you have any questions on the rebore. You can see a post with pics here:

Anyone know why Browning doesn't offer BLR in 45/70?
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The hammer & sear are very easy & simple to access (that's what your 'smith needs to access to polish things to make the trigger go from horrid to very good), and has nothing to do with the lever/bolt carrier timing.
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I've searched on this forum and elsewhere for a poor man's trigger job for my BLR. Any recommendation on how to DIY? If you know of a link with pictures I bet the Mods would sticky it for future reference. It doesn't sound like a hard job with a steady hand and a dremel, but without a visual or at least detailed instructions I'm hesitant to try it. Some gunsmiths I've talked to won't even take the buttstock off of a BLR. Thanks.

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NO DREMELS, EVER!

Sorry for the internet-yelling, but I think that's super-critical. I used a hard Arkansas stone to polish _only_. No cutting, no altering angles or engagement depth, etc. The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly, Part IV, has nice pics of the disassembly of an older (steel receiver) BLR 81. Google Books has the ebook available for ~$15 at present. The current guns have a different bolt head and lockup mechanism (current ones look & work very much like an AR-15), but none of that has to do with trigger work on these guns.

If you've successfully and safely polished a revolver trigger, you can probably do the BLR without much trouble at all.

I don't know of anyone that has a pictorial of this process anywhere. Most people just repeat the stuff they've heard/read about how horrible BLRs are to work on. Perhaps later in the summer I will be able to put some pics together for posterity? I'll give that some thought...
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Ok I hear you. Pics would be great. My trigger just stinks, so I'll take any advice I can get, yelling or otherwise. I'm airborne and ranger qualified, so it wouldn't be the first time I've been yelled at.
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DCAMM 94 , get the Gun digest book like MZ says , it has plenty of pictures and yes a dremel would be overkill to the max. If you don't have good stones just use a small file with a piece of 400 grit sand paper wrapped around it. You aren't removing metal just polishing what is there. I dropped 3 lbs off the trigger pull just changing out the sear spring. A trigger pull guage is also helpful. Plus it fun to check out all you triggers on the rest of your guns.
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Great. Thanks Ben.
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