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Old 06-17-2004, 01:35 PM
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I once owned a 357 Marlin rifle. I never used it to deer hunt. I have a chance to get a good used rifle at a very good price. It has a lot of marks on the wood, but the blueing is good and I can refinish the wood. If you have deer hunted with a 357 rifle, will it take a 250 pound buck at 100 yards? Will it take a 300 pound hog at 100 yards? I am looking for a light weight carry rifle for rolling hills and I am thinking about a 357 rifle.

If this does not work, what do you think about cutting the barrel off a 30-30 to 17 inches and putting a peep sight on the rifle. I can get a good shooter for $150.

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Old 06-17-2004, 02:38 PM
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Tayolor,

I'm really partial to those .357 carbines. I did quite a lot of agricultural depredation work in Southern Oregon in the fruit orchards there using nothing but a little .357 carbine. Always dropped them nicely. Never recovered a bullet. Always had exit wounds, two faucetts in the critter, one on each side.

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BTB .358-185gFNGC/16.0g H110/WSPP/Rem Brass/1800+ fps out of a carbine.

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bull...category=17&id=

I can't praise this load/gun combination highly enough. It kills all out of proportion to its paper ballistics.

You can't go wrong. Besides, light recoiling .38's are such fun in these guns for the off season, and shooting varmints, that the gun becomes a four-season companion.

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Old 06-17-2004, 03:19 PM
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I've seen what a good Beartooth cast bullet in a .357 revolver will do to a deer. It'll just be that much more devastating in a rifle, with the added 400-500fps.

You won't be too terribly far behind factory .35 Rem ballistics, if you want something to compare it to. But you must have good bullets that will hold up to the velocity, not the lightweight hollowpoints. See Marshall's load.... what I use.
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Old 06-17-2004, 05:22 PM
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The Hornady 158 grain FP/XTP (not the hollow point) works well from a carbine. 18 grains of Lil' Gun gets them going 1,867 fps average from my 1894C. Here's a picture of 4 bullets recovered from deer by Jerry Lester, a regular poster on the Marlin Owners Forum:



Those bullets were loaded at about 1,700 fps. Complete thread here:

http://www.marlinowners.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=252
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Old 07-05-2004, 05:57 AM
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I've killed two mule deer and one cow elk with .357 revolver. All at very close range. The elk cow was about 50 feet away and broadside. Both mulies were about same distance. I was hunting with plain PMC 158 grain hollow tip ammo. Low cost ammo featuring a non-reloadable aluminum alloy case. But it did the job.

The elk hunt: I was scouting in the Bear Lodge Mts. of Wyoming to locate elk herds for the following day's hunt. My rifle was left behind in camp. A tall ridge was my seat for glassing the valleys and canyons below. Just before dusk, I heard sounds behind me, sounded like cattle. I turned slowly to face a small herd of feeding cow elk with their calves. I picked out the largest cow and waited for a clear shot. She stepped between two aspens and gave me a straight shot at the crease behind her shoulder. At the shot she bounded away and I fired again. The animal slowed but after just a few strides toppled over with a loud crash. My first bullet had struck directly where I'd aimed and damaged the chest innerds considerably. Second shot hit back farther back than I'd wanted but tore through the diaphram and ripped apart the liver. .357 MAG is a pip squeak on paper but did the job for me at very close range.

For shots at common deer beyond 75 yards, I'd choose a more powerful cartridge. But accurate shot placement with the first bullet is what truely causes lethality. Dan'l Boone accomplished noteworthy feats with his 45 caliber flint lock using round patched lead balls. He was an extra-ordinary rifle shot and patient hunter. We can all learn from his success.
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Dan'l Boone accomplished noteworthy feats with his 45 caliber flint lock using round patched lead balls. He was an extra-ordinary rifle shot and patient hunter. We can all learn from his success.
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Don't know what Danl' used, but I just thought I'd mention that one can get a 45 cal. , 130 grain round ball going about 2200 fps. Not a pipsqueek!
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Old 07-09-2004, 11:20 PM
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Shot placement?

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Tayolor,

I'm really partial to those .357 carbines. I did quite a lot of agricultural depredation work in Southern Oregon in the fruit orchards there using nothing but a little .357 carbine. Always dropped them nicely. Never recovered a bullet. Always had exit wounds, two faucetts in the critter, one on each side.

Load used:

BTB .358-185gFNGC/16.0g H110/WSPP/Rem Brass/1800+ fps out of a carbine.

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bull...category=17&id=

I can't praise this load/gun combination highly enough. It kills all out of proportion to its paper ballistics.

You can't go wrong. Besides, light recoiling .38's are such fun in these guns for the off season, and shooting varmints, that the gun becomes a four-season companion.

God Bless,
Marshall:

When you "...dropped them nicely..." what was your favored bullet placement and how far from impact did the deer usually travel before expiring? Here in the South if they don't go down quick you may never find them (without a dog) in the cutover thickets.

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Old 07-10-2004, 08:20 AM
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Ralph,

"Dropped nicely" means within 40 feet or so of being hit in the chest cavity, either heart or lungs. Didn't really matter from what angle. Of course spine-shot deer literally dropped where they stood. That load listed has piled up quite a stack of deer over the years and one cow elk. All of course, at reasonable yardages of 100 yards and under for the most part. There were a couple of deer over 100 yards, and the terminal results were virtually the same, but I don't make it a habit of using this combo at those ranges, nor do I advocate it either.

For reasonable yardages on deer sized critters, that load is pure poison, and will penetrate to the boiler room from just about any angle.

Fun Stuff, and fun to shoot!

Thought I'd add here too, that none of the deer killed using the combination listed were adrenalized! They were, for the most part, peacefully feeding with no hint of being spooked or alarmed. This can make a huge difference in terminal outcomes in my experience. I've seen deer with their entire boiler room scrambled still run nearly a hundred yards if they were adrenalized prior to being shot. So, please take my very candid and I might add, vulnerable, statement above in the context in which the harvests ocurred!
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I took 2 does last season with my 1894CP using 158gr JSP Speer bullets at 1900fps. The does were traveling together. I shot the 1st one at 40 yds and she fell within 10ft. The second doe I shot while it was at a full run at 70-75yds away. I hit and punched through both front shoulders and she went 30-40yds. I was hunting over a very thick area here in the south, so thick I didn't even see either of them go down. The blood trails looked like they had been poured out with a garden hose. The second doe was on nothing but adrenaline but still fell down pretty close considering my shot placement on her while she was running. 2 shots and two very dead deer in less than 15 seconds. I really love this rifle!!
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Feeding Problems With 185gr

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Tayolor,

I'm really partial to those .357 carbines. I did quite a lot of agricultural depredation work in Southern Oregon in the fruit orchards there using nothing but a little .357 carbine. Always dropped them nicely. Never recovered a bullet. Always had exit wounds, two faucetts in the critter, one on each side.

Load used:

BTB .358-185gFNGC/16.0g H110/WSPP/Rem Brass/1800+ fps out of a carbine.

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bull...category=17&id=

I can't praise this load/gun combination highly enough. It kills all out of proportion to its paper ballistics.

You can't go wrong. Besides, light recoiling .38's are such fun in these guns for the off season, and shooting varmints, that the gun becomes a four-season companion.

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I've loaded the subject bullet, and cannot get it to feed in my Marlin. What is the overall length on your loads? Any other thoughts?

Thanks,

Paul
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Old 08-03-2004, 07:33 PM
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About 1.620" in some nickel-plated Winchester brass. You might try starting with that, then if you have trouble, seat a dummy 0.010" deeper, try again, repeat as necessary..... might just need to change the depth slightly.
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:46 AM
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A couple months ago, there was a post about filing the carriage stop on 357 Marlin rifles to allow for longer bullets. I believe the over all length could be increased 0.10. I can't remember the name of the post, but maybe some else will remember.
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A 250 pound deer and a well placed .357 bullet inside of 100 yards should work well. I would wish for more gun on a 300 pound hog though, but to tell, you the truth, 300 pounders aren't the most common size. 120-180 or so are the size of most killed aren't here, but that isn't to say that they don't exist; they do, but they don't get that big by being stupid, so most that are shot weigh quite a bit less.
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I once owned a 357 Marlin rifle. I never used it to deer hunt. I have a chance to get a good used rifle at a very good price. It has a lot of marks on the wood, but the blueing is good and I can refinish the wood. If you have deer hunted with a 357 rifle, will it take a 250 pound buck at 100 yards? Will it take a 300 pound hog at 100 yards? I am looking for a light weight carry rifle for rolling hills and I am thinking about a 357 rifle.

If this does not work, what do you think about cutting the barrel off a 30-30 to 17 inches and putting a peep sight on the rifle. I can get a good shooter for $150.
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Taylor, a heavy (180gr+) bullet in your rifle at close to 2,000fps is a good GAME GETTER for a lotta' folks. HARD CAST is key when you're thinkin' about shooting big hogs. I like two holes on game animals, and hard cast bullets usually deliver the goods.

Here's an article with some more load data that might interest you. When you're loading long, heavy bullets and must deal with COL issues, a .38spl case will allow more flexibility...

http://www.sixgunner.com/backissues/...57%20Heavy.htm

Scroll down to the bottom on this linke above to see the loads listed for use in Marlin or Winchester .357 rifles.

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Old 08-08-2004, 09:14 AM
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Yes, I read an article some ten or 12 years ago that showed that the heavier bullets were the most accurate, and there are plenty of good hard cast .357 bullets available.
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A couple months ago, there was a post about filing the carriage stop on 357 Marlin rifles to allow for longer bullets. I believe the over all length could be increased 0.10. I can't remember the name of the post, but maybe some else will remember.
Taylor,

Sorry, I didn't see this post earlier, noticed it this afternoon, and here's your link to the article:

Modifying The Cartridge Lifter-Stop On Marlin 1894's For More COL.

This should clear up the problem!
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I killed a four point muley that was in the 250# range at about 100 yards plus or minus with a 357 rifle using 140 gr sp bullets. I got complete penetration and the deer fell in his tracks. Can't get much better than that. If I were to hunt deer with it again I would most likely load up a bunch of beartooth 180 gr bullets because of better penitration.
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Marshall, you mentioned in one of your posts that you've taken a cow elk with the 357 carbine. Did it do the job pretty well, or did you need multiple shots? Was it a Rocky Mountain elk, or a Roosevelt like we have on the coast? This is one of the few times I've heard of someone taking game that big with a pistol-caliber carbine...

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The cow was a Roosevelt, harvested in the Tioga Unit in Oregon, not far from Roseburg. She took the shot, and went a wobbly couple of steps and folded up from the one well-placed shot! Argument over, and the cuttin' and packin' began!

A memorable day to be sure!

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OK. I'm convinced. I got the 357 Marlin. I plan to put a peep sight on it and I have some 180 grain cast bullets for hunting. But mostly, this is a plinking gun or a light weight carry gun for hills or long hikes.
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