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Old 02-04-2005, 04:55 PM
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Question What gun did Chuck Connors use in the Rifleman?


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I was just watching some old episodes and really enjoying them too.Is that a Winchester that Luke Mcane used? Didnt that large loop have a hook out for pulling the trigger if you just cock it ?
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Old 02-04-2005, 07:39 PM
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Yep, that's a'92 Winchester in the Rifleman. It had a screw through the trigger guard that tripped the trigger when the lever was closed.

If you count the shots in the show opener there are 11, 1 more than the carbine held. Or at least I heard that somewhere-- it's been years since I saw a re-run.

when I was a little tyke I used to re-enact the show opener with my '73 roll cap rifle. my parents loved it.
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Old 02-04-2005, 08:22 PM
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Thanks Stone Fence,I had that cap rifle too!!!!

Didnt realize 92s had that short a barrel?Gun looked real small.Any idea what caliber that rifle was suppose to be?? Im guessing 44-40
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Old 02-05-2005, 06:41 AM
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One reason the rifle may look small is that Chuck Connors was a big man. He played major league baseball before bad knees sent him to Hollywood.

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Old 02-05-2005, 08:26 AM
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I watched an episode about six months ago.
Lucas was with Mica and they were talking about bullet diameter in some shot up cowboy.
Lucas held up one of his cartridge's and made reference to the Marshal that it was indeed a 44-40 bullet that was removed from the victim. However it was not from Lucas's gun.
Yes I'm a western fan, It struck me funny that they were talking bullet recovery.
I wonder if it was a Beartooth Bullet ? HA HA.
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Old 02-05-2005, 08:51 AM
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Rifleman

There are many websites devoted to the Rifleman, like:

http://members.tripod.com/~northfork/

I read that Connors himself modified his lever loop with a screw adjusted to hit the trigger when closing to provide rapid fire.
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Old 02-12-2005, 01:44 PM
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I was just watching some old episodes and really enjoying them too.Is that a Winchester that Luke Mcane used? Didnt that large loop have a hook out for pulling the trigger if you just cock it ?
A couple years ago there was an article about movie guns in the American Rifleman. In the article the '92 used by Chuck Conners was said to be a .38-40, but because of the blanks used, it held more cartridges. No bullet, so OAL was shorter, thus it carried more rounds.
They also stated that whenever ammo was shown it often was ammo for the 1894, so viewers would get the idea that it was a larger caliber!
They did the same thing in the old "Wanted Dead or Alive" series with Steve McQueen. He carried a sawed off '92, but his cartridge belt held .45-70 cartridges!
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:36 AM
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A couple years ago there was an article about movie guns in the American Rifleman. In the article the '92 used by Chuck Conners was said to be a .38-40, but because of the blanks used, it held more cartridges. No bullet, so OAL was shorter, thus it carried more rounds.
They also stated that whenever ammo was shown it often was ammo for the 1894, so viewers would get the idea that it was a larger caliber!
They did the same thing in the old "Wanted Dead or Alive" series with Steve McQueen. He carried a sawed off '92, but his cartridge belt held .45-70 cartridges!
Augh!!!

That is exactly why I hated those old western reruns as a kid. They never quite told the truth. The bad guys sometimes really won back then and on TV, the good guys lied. I know, I know, it's Hollywood. But I still don't care for the old westerns for those kinds of reasons.
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From a Guns magazine article in the 60's, done by Rod Redwing (gun coach to the stars), Connors was ambidexterous, could shoot as well with either hand. In the pilot, only used his finger to fire his Winchester m'92, but after the network bought the show, insurance company made them put the set screw in the trigger guard rather than lose filming time while his finger healed from putting that sharp ended trigger through it. Redwing also had a plunger installed above the chamber that sprang out when the action was open that kept the rounds from falling out during the twirl. Connors used a full 20 inch barrel since he was almost 6'5'' with long arms while the Duke (with shorter arms) had his barrel cut to 14" and the forearm trimmed to match (and was duly registered). Before Connors learned the twirl and other tricks, his training began with ball ammo. Redwing said that Connors became as fast and lethal with ball ammo as he appreared on film with blanks. The TV westerns were something. Trick question: Which Hollywood stars were the best at fastdraw during the '60's? Hugh O'Brien? Clint Eastwood? NO. Singer Sammy Davis Jr. and comic Jerry Lewis! Look it up and be suprised.
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I knew the answere to that !!

Jerry Lewis was the quickest followed by Sammy Davis Jr. and then Clint. Still I cant help think that even with Bob Munden around there has to be others just as fast or faster that never even held a gun in their hand.
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Also, the reason his gun held more shots than a standard 1892 was because they were blanks! Blanks are shorter, as they have no bullet, so it held an extra round.
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Not all blanks are created "equal". My son showed me a Hollywood western movie blank that had a "bullet". It was molded in one piece black nylon to look like a .38-40 cartridge case with a bullet. It had a primer pocket that led to a small hole drilled through the entire blank ending at the "bullet". The bullet was split with an "X" to allow any gases to escape. After being used, the primer would be punched out and recapped to be used again. I believe it was known as a "5 in 1" blank in the movie industry as it would fit five cowboy calibers.
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Have never seen the late model blank with the nylon "bullet". In the heyday of the TV western and fastdraw the 5-in-1's were all brass, even the open ended "bullet" section, which was there to create the shape of the original loaded round and facilitate feeding in repeaters. Most repeaters with higher than normal capacities in the movies are created simply by poor quality film editing. Trick question: what five guns functioned with the 5-in-1 blank?
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Trick question: what five guns functioned with the 5-in-1 blank?
Since I mentioned the 5-in-1 first, I've got to take a stab at this. My best guesstimate would be: .45 Colt, .44 WCF, .38 WCF, .45 Schofield, and .44 Special.
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Sorry Marshal. Good honest effort. 5n1's won't fit either the .45 Schofield or .44 Special. Told you it was a trick. They were meant for .38-40 revolvers and rifles (2), .44-40 revolvers and rifles (2 more) and .45 Colt revolvers (#5). What about .45 rifles? They weren't created by Uberti until well after the heyday of western TV and movies, and well after manufacturers began turning an extractor groove in Colt cases ahead of the rim. Until that groove was created, the rim was so narrow as to leave no purchase for an extractor and decent function in a rifle could only be a distant dream. Find a Colt case made before 1970 and you will see why there was never an "orginal" .45 Colt rifle. Great effort though. Have fun.
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Yuh got me there pard! Thanks for the answer and I'll have to remember the "tricky" part.
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So no one is going to ask anymore about Steve McQueens Mare's Leg?

I am curious as to what caliber it was...

Would it count as a pistol? Rifle? Any Other Weapon?

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He used the "Mare's Leg".
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I was just watching some old episodes and really enjoying them too.Is that a Winchester that Luke Mcane used? Didnt that large loop have a hook out for pulling the trigger if you just cock it ?
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Old 04-15-2005, 03:56 PM
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Mare's Leg was either 38-40 or 44-40 to use 5 in 1 blanks. Trick part -carried 45-70's in his belt loops for "dramatic effect".
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The screw for rapid fire

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There are many websites devoted to the Rifleman, like:

http://members.tripod.com/~northfork/

I read that Connors himself modified his lever loop with a screw adjusted to hit the trigger when closing to provide rapid fire.
http://members.tripod.com/~northfork1/gunring.jpg
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