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Old 02-16-2005, 01:18 PM
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I was thinking of buying a 1894C in 38/357 but already have a bunch of reloaded ammo made up for my revolver using the Lyman #358429 bullet loaded to a OAL of 1.660". I have heard that you shouldn't load your ammo past a OAL of 1.595" for this rifle and wondered if anyone else has a .357 rifle and uses a Keith type or larger bullet that will cycle in the Marlin rifle.

I have a Marlin 1894S in 44mag and it will cycle the Lyman #429421 with a OAL of 1.685".

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Old 02-16-2005, 02:40 PM
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You'll just have to carefully experiment a little. Even seemingly identical rifles will vary, by a bit.

My 1894 .45 Colt (cowboy) model will feed some amazingly long and blunt bullets, at around the OAL you mentioned.

The .44s, by comparison, are known to be a little picky.

I think even if someone told you this exact combo worked great, don't take that to the bank just yet. If you're thinking of buying one, I'd see if you can talk the seller into running a dummy round through the action.

I know this probably doesn't help as much as you'd like, but feel very confident that there is no absolute answer when it comes to that a levergun will and will not feed!
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Old 02-17-2005, 09:01 AM
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Thanks MikeG. That helps a lot and is kinda what I thought. In other words, there is no reason that a rilfe would or would not cycle a long round. If I get one that doesn't cycle a long round well, is there a fairly easy fix for it or would it be a changing out a part thing? That's not a fair question but I hope you see what I'm getting at. I don't need a rifle that won't shoot what I'm shooting in my revolver.

I sure won't be shooting any store bought ammo in it and want to know that I can shoot heavy hard cast bullets in it. And I think I want ballard rifling as that's what my '94 44mag has. They make a cowboy version of the .357 rifle but I'm not sure of the rifling and barrel length. The 1894C has a 18 1/2" barrel and that may be all you need for a .357 shell. Thanks

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PS: The dummy round thing is a good idea except the stores I've checked with don't have one in stock but claim to be able to get one in a day or two. I had thought of just taking one of my live rounds and letting the clerk cycle it through since it's got that cross-bolt saftey.

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Old 02-17-2005, 10:04 AM
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There's a couple of different carriers used, IIRC. Check the tech notes on the forum for more information; there is an article on modifying Marlin leverguns for longer cartridge OALs, although I think it's geared more toward the 336-based Guide Guns and such.

Since you don't yet have the gun, not sure if those articles will be helpful or not. Since your .44 mag will feed the longer OAL, and the action is basically the same, I'd give the opinion that it can be done.

Would be good to hear if any 94/357 owners with the recent production guns had such difficulty, and if so, what was required to overcome it.
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Old 02-18-2005, 10:18 AM
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Mike G,

That's what I was thinking, that the Marling 94 actions should be about the same. They may have a different carrier or lifter for the different caliber but I seem to remember Marshall talking about altering the carrier-lifter for the 44 rifles that would not feed the heavy bullets well, several years ago. Mine would so I didn't pay very close attention. I need to check tech notes and see if I can find it.

I had hoped that someone would pop in and say "yea, I've got that rifle and cast that bullet and mine will cycle it". I was very surprised that my 44 would cycle the long cartrige but I take it easy and don't try to do a speedy reload. I've got Marshall's book the Technical Guide, that I got several years ago. That doesn't have anything about that does it? I'll have to dig that out and check. Thanks

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Old 02-21-2005, 06:43 PM
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Kingfish, I don't know if mine is an anomaly, and I don't use that same bullet but I can cycle 1.660 OAL through mine. 1894C circa 1981.

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Old 02-22-2005, 12:02 PM
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Take a look at this link: Modifying_1894C_Cartridge_Carrier
By doing what is told in the link you can shoot longer cartridges reliably. However, I found that after doing so some shorter cartridges that use to feed well will hang on the lip entering the chamber. But if you shoot the longer cartridges all the time then this is the ticket let me tell you!
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Old 02-22-2005, 02:12 PM
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Thank you for your replies MichAK and Carwi. I would like to have one that feeds the long .357 loads and the short 38spls too but that may be a problem. I've been reading about people buying brand new '94s that had to be broken in a little to even feed factory ammo. I don't know if they try to cycle a round real fast or if it's just the luck of the draw when buying a new rifle. When I get a little time, I'm going to look around for a used rifle but I don't expect too much. I don't know of any Cowboy shooting around here either. I will check out that link that carwi listed on his post too.

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Old 02-24-2005, 01:39 PM
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Kingfish,

Here is a picture of my carrier in my 1894C. I filed the cartridge stop on it to allow the longer cartridges using the advice I left above. I like the Beartooth 185gr FNGC and the only way to allow proper feeding was to file away the stop with a mill file then touch it up using 400-600 grit emory cloth. The maximum cartidge length I have now is 1.690". It still feeds everything under that without a problem.



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Old 02-24-2005, 07:33 PM
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hey kigfish i just bought a win 94 in .357 and it feeds 180 gr xtp JHP bullets COL 1.650. i loaded up some jacketed wad cutters at the same 1.650 and they were not as smooth, had to run the action slower. this rifle feed .38's nicely also. the trigger is heavy but i am very happy with the accuracy.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:50 AM
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Good information and pictures both of you. I read these posts about Big 5 stores having them on sale and I've never heard of a Big 5 store. WalMart has rifles but I don't expect they would have any in .357 in stock. Thanks

Bill

PS: My most accurate load for my revolver has been a 180grn hard cast loaded with 15.0grns LilGun at 50yds. I've used both regular and mag primers with LilGun in my .357 but use WLP or Rem. 2 1/2 primers in my 44mag.
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