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Old 03-04-2004, 10:19 AM
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I'm going to be boar hunting with my 30-30 sometime within the next year, and I'm interested in 30-30 bullets that would be appropriate for this game. All lead (soft, hard cast) solid copper, PMC starfire types (copper hollow point 'specialty'), jacketed? I don't trust store bought ammo to perform the same in different types of game.


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Old 03-04-2004, 10:37 AM
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The PMC solid-copper hollow-points should be the toughest by far. I believe that bullet is a variation on the Barnes "X" and either made by Barnes or made by PMC under license. That would be my first choice, for factory ammo.

If you handload, Nosler has a 170gr. Partition. I'm not aware of that being factory loaded, though.

I know a guy who has used a .30-30 handloaded with Speer 170gr. bullets on hogs..... again, a handloading proposition.

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Old 03-04-2004, 09:02 PM
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Federal has been loading the 17Og FP Nolser partition bullet for the 30-30 for several years now as part of their Premium line of ammo.

Grafs in MO carries them and they run $20+ per box,which is reasonable when one considers what the Nosler Partion component bulets cost.

The PMC starfire bullets may be cheaper,but copper fouling with them can be bad in some barels and likewise some guns don't shoot them very well as to accuracy.

As to handloading,my first choice would be the 17Og Noslers Partitions,for the best combination of expansion,penetraion and accuracy.

For a good cast bullet,I would look no further than Beartooth's 160g slug.It is gas checked to shoot well at unting velocties,has a crimping groove for loading in 30-30's and is hard enough to penerate well.

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Old 03-05-2004, 10:32 PM
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Perhaps I worded my question wrong........


I was asking about the bullets themselves, but will expand to loaded rounds, or reloading components. I'm just curious as to the best 'all around' bullet configuration presently made for the 30-30 for hunting wild boar.


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I hope to do some boar hunting too. These are 500-600 lb boars from what I hear. Do you think the 30-30 will be enough if I use the Remington 170 gr Power Point or should I just go with my 45-70 with a Speer 400 gr?
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Old 03-11-2004, 06:55 PM
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Hey fellows... I've literally killed thousands of hogs with the Hornady 170-grain FP. Drops them like a rock. I use W748 and RLD15 but might be tempted to try BL-C(2) as when my rifle gets back it will be a 30-30 AI.



I killed this hog with my '51 Marlin 336-A this past November. It field dressed 285 pounds. That's a big hog on the hoof.

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Old 03-12-2004, 07:01 AM
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I think Ranch Dog is right on with this one, although I've never shot a pig.
I've used the 30-30 for whitetail (about 40) and black bear (3). I have friends that have killed black bear up to 480 pounds (field-dressed) with the 30-30 with very impressive results, all using "standard" cunstruction softpoints.
I see no reason to use premium bullets in a cartridge of 30-30 velocity.
My favorite is the 170 grain Hornady flat point. On small deer (under 140 pounds) it hardly has time to expand. I've never recovered one from a deer. I did recover one that went through both shoulders of a 210 pound bear. I found it about four inches into a cedar tree on the other side of the bear!
Folks underrate the 30-30 all the time. Makes me cringe. If one is to use the 30-30, one can't hardly go wrong with a good 170 grain soft point.

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I shot two Russian boars in Sonoma County, CA in the late 1980's. Used plain 170 gr. Remington core-lockt ammo. First boar went down with a single head shot. Second boar was shot twice in the chest at less than 100 yards, yet he sprinted away downhill nearly 75 yards before lying down. One last bullet into the brain ended him. After that, I switched to .308 rifle and 180 grain SilverTip ammo by Winchester.

A large boar about 275 lbs was hit in the chest with .308 and he spun around but remained on his feet. Second bullet took him in the chest also but from the opposite side of first bullet. Then the boar let out a loud grunt and fell over. He kicked and kicked sort of like running but laying on his side. I shot him again under the chin into the brain. Whole top of his head came off. I found the two .308 SilverTip bullets and they were nicely mushroomed. Inside of the chest cavity looked like he swallowed a grenade.

I think Russian boars are built tough. The inside of the hide has a thick material sort of like fiberglass. I'm not sure what it takes to knock 'em off their feet with just one bullet into the chest.
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Old 03-12-2004, 10:25 AM
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With the .30-30 and .35 Rem. I do like taking quartering away shots... low and just behind the shoulder. You got to avoid the shield and get that bullet into where the heart/lungs overlap. Hogs don't have much lungs and if you take the wind out of them they are down for the count quick.

I've seen "break the shoulder" shots fail because of the shield. I've seen many head shots glance right off the thick skull of a large hog.

I have a friend that kills them from a helicopter on a large scale for large ranches. He decided to let one of the ground guys kill one at close range with a 44 RM. The short range shot to the head glanced off and went through his rotor blade. The hog hit the brush and was never recovered. Hogs 1... helicopters 0!
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I hope to do some boar hunting too. These are 500-600 lb boars from what I hear. Do you think the 30-30 will be enough if I use the Remington 170 gr Power Point or should I just go with my 45-70 with a Speer 400 gr?
I would take the .45-70 and use hardcast or premium bullets. Probably the North Fork 350g bonded bullets I use for elk and deer.
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I would take the .45-70 and use hardcast or premium bullets. Probably the North Fork 350g bonded bullets I use for elk and deer.
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Oldwolf - Having just shot a hog with a .45-70 and a .30-30 I would definitely go with the .45-70.
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I have had very good success with both the Starfire bullet (it's a Barnes X flat point loaded by PMC) as well the good old Core-lokt. As have been stated, some rifles don't shoot the all copper starfire well, and a good barrel cleaning and cooper fouling removal might improve accuracy. Mixed results with the silver-tips, and two weeks ago I decided to use some premium 30-30 bullets on some hogs on South Texas. I also had my .35 Rem with me, and wish now I had used it instead, not because of the caliber but the bullet selection. I found that the new Winchester "Supreme" power points, while accurate and 200fps+ faster than the rest of the factory offerings, gave miserable performance, and I lost a very nice sow due to the bullets lack of penetration and zero expansion. We found her the next day, only recently dead and before she was stiff and cold. Very little blood loss, and necropsy revealed a perfect 30 caliber hole on her, with no expansion what so ever. I lasered the distance of the shot, and at 54 yards there should have been much more damage than there was. I won't ever use that ammo again, so recommend you use a heavy, controlled expansion bullet for your 30-30 hog hunt, or the Barnes X if your rifle likes them, even though they are only 150 grains, they won't let you down.
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the new Winchester "Supreme" power points, while accurate and 200fps+ faster than the rest of the factory offerings, gave miserable performance, and I lost a very nice sow due to the bullets lack of penetration and zero expansion. We found her the next day, only recently dead and before she was stiff and cold. Very little blood loss, and necropsy revealed a perfect 30 caliber hole on her, with no expansion what so ever. .

Sounds like real strange performance!
What weight were the bullets?
Where did you hit the pig?
Hope you could salvage the meat.
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Sounds like real strange performance!
What weight were the bullets?
Where did you hit the pig?
Hope you could salvage the meat.
Unfortunately not; the intestines had worked part way out of the entrance hole, and although not punctured until the exit hole (at the anus), I was not going to take a chance on what bugs had been multiplying wildly during the night getting into my system as well later on. I searched the area for at least an hour the day before, and tortured my two buddies thereafter because I knew that I could not have missed her and not drawn any blood, but even 4 more eyes couldn't see even a drop of blood, so we left until the next morning. I am not in the habit of taking bad shots, wounding and/or losing my game animals, and this marks only the second time in my life that I have lost one. The pig was heavy enough so that even if no bone was hit, her hide and guts should have started any bullet designed to expand to do so and cause a wound large enough to slow the hog and leave a blood trail, but like I said, 30 caliber in about 4 inches, about a 120 degree turn from broadside to posterior, then out the anus only puncturing the intestine at the exit point, with one small hole. It was as if the bullet snaked it's way between organs and blood vessels through the connective tissue only; magic bullet maybe?
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Old 03-17-2004, 12:19 PM
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lack of penetration and zero expansion. .
When you said that, I thought you meant the bullet didn't penetrate very far, which I thought would be weird when no expansion. I thought maybe a squib load or something. But, from your response, I see that the bullet exited.

I can see a heavy bullet not expanding on a gut shot. I double-lunged two young whitetail (about 110 pounds) with 30-30 170 grain bullets where the bullet didn't open up till it reached the far lung. They left a 30 cal hole through 1st lung and "crushed" the 2nd lung. These were <50 yard shots. That's why I wondered about your bullet weight.

I tested 150 grain flat points in wet newspaper down to 1400 ft impact velocity. They didn't open up till they were at least 1700 fps. The ones that didn't open up penetrated over three feet. The ones that mushroomed penetrated 12 to 14 inches at 1900 to 2100 fps.

Although I've never gut shot anything with a 30-30, I have seen two deer killed outright with .270s and 7mm Rem Mag when gut shot. Killed from the shock?

I gut-shot a whitetail once with a 45 Colt and 250 grain Hornady XTP hollow point bullet at 1250 fps. I trailed it for several miles before I caught up with him. Luckily, there was snow on the ground, because there was almost no blood. That bullet didn't seem to expand either.

Anyway, too bad about not salvaging the meat. But like everybody says, eventually everybody loses game. The best we can do is "better".

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Well put, and I figure at 45 yards, this extra speed 30-30 would not have deflected, expanded at least somewhat and carried a fluid wave with it upon exiting in the same plave it entered; but, live, learn, and do your best. I'm out of sausage as of last week, and I'm missing those tasty hot, smoky links something fierce!

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When you said that, I thought you meant the bullet didn't penetrate very far, which I thought would be weird when no expansion. I thought maybe a squib load or something. But, from your response, I see that the bullet exited.

I can see a heavy bullet not expanding on a gut shot. I double-lunged two young whitetail (about 110 pounds) with 30-30 170 grain bullets where the bullet didn't open up till it reached the far lung. They left a 30 cal hole through 1st lung and "crushed" the 2nd lung. These were <50 yard shots. That's why I wondered about your bullet weight.

I tested 150 grain flat points in wet newspaper down to 1400 ft impact velocity. They didn't open up till they were at least 1700 fps. The ones that didn't open up penetrated over three feet. The ones that mushroomed penetrated 12 to 14 inches at 1900 to 2100 fps.

Although I've never gut shot anything with a 30-30, I have seen two deer killed outright with .270s and 7mm Rem Mag when gut shot. Killed from the shock?

I gut-shot a whitetail once with a 45 Colt and 250 grain Hornady XTP hollow point bullet at 1250 fps. I trailed it for several miles before I caught up with him. Luckily, there was snow on the ground, because there was almost no blood. That bullet didn't seem to expand either.

Anyway, too bad about not salvaging the meat. But like everybody says, eventually everybody loses game. The best we can do is "better".
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