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Old 11-22-2005, 04:36 AM
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Question Standard 22's vs. High Velocity in Model 39


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Picked up an early 1922 - 1923 Model 39 in very good condition and have read mixed reviews on what type of bullets should be used. In the past I have owned older Model 39's and 39A's and have shot High Velocity bullets.

Only once did I have the firing pin break and that was due to dry firing it. It was a simple fix.

Is it wise to stay with standard velocity bullets only, or will the older MOdel 39 handle the high velocity bullets?

Also the receiver is drilled and tapped with a hole pattern that I am not familar with; two holes to front, the one furthest to front is slightly smaller than the second and the third one back towards the hammer is the same size as the front one.
What base or sight pattern is this for, and does anyone have an idea of the screw size, they are missing.

Please advise!

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Not a problem, will handle high.vel. .22's, the the 39's I've played with seem to do their best shooting with good quality SV loadings.

Not real sure about that scope mounting...that screw pattern doens't seem factory...on a guess, it mounts the 1960's type one-piece steel tip-off mount. (the last mod. 39 I had was of the 1960's vintage and the mounted used two screws).
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Mike,

That second screw from the front retains the cartridge guide spring. The cartridge guide spring hangs from this screw and guides the nose of the round into the chamber. If that screw is missing, it sounds as though the cartridge guide spring is also missing. Brownell's should have the parts you need.

I seem to recall from the old Marlin Talk forum that standard velocity ammo was recommended in pre-war (WW II) models 39's. The thought was that HV ammo could crack the bolt on the older models. Not trying to start a war with the highly respected Mr. Ribbonstone. This is just my recollection.

BTW; I see your trying to add to the collection. Nice find

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Old 11-22-2005, 08:16 AM
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Mike,

That second screw from the front retains the cartridge guide spring. The cartridge guide spring hangs from this screw and guides the nose of the round into the chamber. If that screw is missing, it sounds as though the cartridge guide spring is also missing. Brownell's should have the parts you need.

I seem to recall from the old Marlin Talk forum that standard velocity ammo was recommended in pre-war (WW II) models 39's. The thought was that HV ammo could crack the bolt on the older models. Not trying to start a war with the highly respected Mr. Ribbonstone. This is just my recollection.

BTW; I see your trying to add to the collection. Nice find

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Fullchoke,

First of all thanks, but I'm confussed, the holes and screws missing are on the top of the receiver, and as far as I can recall from other 39's there was no springs located along the top.
Do you mean the screws on the left side? If so they are all intact. I believe that who ever onwed this gun either added a special scope mount or some sort of sight.
The scope base seems logical because the original iron sights are fine, but I noticed the rear sight was set to the lowest point.

Again thank you and also Ribbonstone
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Fullchoke:
You might be right...am running on memory as the referecne books are all gone...and memory is fickle.

Marlin certainly will answer your question, are pretty good about that....so give them an email or a call.
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magshooter, I have an old 39, serial # 2xxx. It has one screw only on the top of the receiver ... it holds a single guide piece inside the receiver, just in front of the chamber. Any extra holes on the top would have been added. If you break down your 39 and look at the inside of the top receiver, there will be a rectangular cavity if that piece is missing.

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Magshooter,

Perhaps "spring" is a bit of a misnomer. It's actually a flat piece of spring steel, barely noticeable. The oldest 39 I have is a '67 model and it is factory drilled and tapped for a scope mount. As"gringo_loco" points out, the older models may have been D&T'd after leaving the factory.

If I can find a link to a breakdown, I'll post it here.

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Guys,
I just came across an old copy of gun parts and found an exploded illustration, FULLCHOKE nailed it.
The hole pattern is factory and the screw that Fullchoke speaks of is the cartridge spring screw, the other holes are for the weaver one piece base.

I appreciate your help, the parts will be ordered and I'm looking forward to shooting it and preserving part of history.

Shoot straight and be safe!
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Try this link;
http://stevespages.com/ipb-marlin-39a.html

Part numbers 32 and 27 are those to which we are referring.

As for the ammo question; follow Ribbonstone's suggestion and get the straight scoop from Marlin.

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Dang, you're much faster than I on this ol' puter
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Great help, put me in the right direction!
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magshooter, your 39 is different from mine then ... either that or someone drilled your extra holes afterwards. Mine only has the screw and hole (for part numbers 32 and 27 referred to by fullchoke above) in the top of the receiver. It is not drilled and tapped for screws/part number 31.

Anyhow, sounds like you've got it squared away, but if yours is a 39, and not a 39A, then Marlin must have changed something or someone else did.

Likewise sir, have a very Happy Thanksgiving and be blessed.
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Well gentlemen, I guess it pays to do research prior to purchasing a gun. The salesman told me it was an early model 39 ,year 1922 -1923 based on the low serial number 20xx, but after this thread was started today and after considerable amount of searching, I find different.

The gun is a 1951 -1952 production, fifth variation.
It was factory drilled and tapped, it has a round barrel, blued receiver and fluted stock at comb.

The parts were ordered. I have no problems with the change from model 39 to model 39A. I have no problems with having to buy parts. I have no problem with the purchase price, but I do have a problem with myself believing what sales people tell me.

If their not sure they shouldn't say anything, and if the buyer "ME" isn't up to date as far as product information, then shame on me.

I guess as the saying goes " BUYER BEWARE" !
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All's well that ends well. Don't be too hard on yourself. I'm sure we've all been there. Know I have.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. And a special wish for Ribbonstone, who has been through so much lately.
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Hey magshooter,

I am so far from being an expert, it isn't even funny. However, I have been quite surprised to find how ignorant some dealers are on what they have ... the beauty of this is, sometimes it works in your favor .
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Ok...just a personal memory test...but were the 1920's Marlins drilled and tapped?
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Ok...just a personal memory test...but were the 1920's Marlins drilled and tapped?
I wouldn't think so, but I can't find anything in my books that gives an indication of when D&T started from the factory.
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Ok...just a personal memory test...but were the 1920's Marlins drilled and tapped?
Ribbonstone,

My 39 is from the early 20's and it is not drilled and tapped on the receiver. The octagon barrel has two separate dovetail mounts screwed to it, but I am sure these were added by a previous owner, as each dovetail is of a different length and not very symetrically even. I took the scope off a long time ago and only shoot irons.

This thread [ http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=24349 ] shows my discovery of its age. If someone can pinpoint its age better than I did, I'd be happy to know.
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Ok...memory isn't as bad as I thought. Figured a 1922 Marlin wouldn't have been factory drilled; a 1950's version probably was. Do remeber the old steel mount was held on by two scews. Then again, can't rememeber the model number of the .22 lever before the 39 (the one that was also offered in 32 rim and centerfire).
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Ok...memory isn't as bad as I thought. Figured a 1922 Marlin wouldn't have been factory drilled; a 1950's version probably was. Do remeber the old steel mount was held on by two scews. Then again, can't rememeber the model number of the .22 lever before the 39 (the one that was also offered in 32 rim and centerfire).
Hmm, don't want to get in trouble with all the historians on this one, but I believe the 1897 was the predacessor to the Mod 39 ... at least the history on Marlin's website alludes to it [ http://www.marlinfirearms.com/history/index.php ].
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