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Old 10-20-2004, 02:46 PM
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You good folks appear to be a savvy bunch and I trust your judgment. I have been shooting muzzleloaders since 1970 and probably have too many on hand. What is the straight answer regarding bore butter? Is it good, or does it have some negative side effects? I was on another board and the response to this topic posted by someone else got to be a bit emotional. I have not used bore butter, but would value some factual responses from all of you. Thanks in advance. All the best...
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Old 10-20-2004, 04:10 PM
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Bore Butter is great stuff. Don't let anyone bull you. If you clean your gun properly B.B. will protect the bore as good as anything on the market.
I've used it since it came out and still do. Good patch lube too and great for topping off revolver cylinders.
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You good folks appear to be a savvy bunch and I trust your judgment. I have been shooting muzzleloaders since 1970 and probably have too many on hand. What is the straight answer regarding bore butter? Is it good, or does it have some negative side effects? I was on another board and the response to this topic posted by someone else got to be a bit emotional. I have not used bore butter, but would value some factual responses from all of you. Thanks in advance. All the best...
Gil

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Old 10-20-2004, 06:53 PM
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Bore butter will build up until accuracy goes south if you don't clean it throughly after each shoot. Most fellows recommend on of the more violent carb cleaner along with lots of brushing if it gets built up.

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Old 10-21-2004, 08:02 AM
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Jack;
I've heard of this 'build up' thing many times yet have seen no evidence of how this can happen.
BB melts and is ejected with each shot. Nothing builds up faster than black powder fouling so I'm at a loss to acertain how BB build up can be measured?
Now I do know that way too much lube can be slathered onto conical bullets, particularly the Maxiball types with those wide grease grooves that so many people think must be filled completely. Tain't so.
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Old 10-21-2004, 09:09 AM
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The folks that sell Bore Butter and Wonder Lube claim it seasons the bore. How can it season the bore if it gets blown out with each shot? Think about it. I'll tell you what I saw later.

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Old 10-21-2004, 10:16 AM
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I've been using it for a really long time, and I've had no trouble. It lets me shoot more shots before cleaning (such as range time) than crisco, and I've had no buildup or loss of accuracy.

I do clean my muzzleloader at the end of a hunt/shooting session by taking the barrel off and soaking it in hot water for a few minutes. After that, I just swab it out, wipe it down, lube it lightly with BB in the bore and outside with gun oil, put it back together and I'm done.

Oh, I also use a hair dryer to heat it up and make sure it's dry.

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Old 10-21-2004, 11:13 AM
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You good folks appear to be a savvy bunch and I trust your judgment. I have been shooting muzzleloaders since 1970 and probably have too many on hand. What is the straight answer regarding bore butter? Is it good, or does it have some negative side effects? I was on another board and the response to this topic posted by someone else got to be a bit emotional. I have not used bore butter, but would value some factual responses from all of you. Thanks in advance. All the best...
Gil
I have used it for several years and use it sparingly now. I've changed from cleaning with it though. I've gone the petrolium way and don't regret it. Why?

History: I used to clean my rifle after each day of shooting by doing the boiling water/soap method. I thought I was getting it all cleaned out because patches were clean and bore light in the barrel appeared to be clean.

Problem: Accuracy seemed to start going south and I read probably the same threads you did about the BB arguements.

Tests: I elected to test out the method of cleaning the barrel as best I could using a bore brush and paste. I couldn't believe how much stuff came out even though historical cleanings showed it to be clean.

Results: Accuracy went back to excellent. I now shoot sabots so BB is not really an issue. If I do shoot Conicals, I'll put BB on as a lube. As stated before, I clean it like I would clean my Bench Rest rifle. The only difference is I used a BP solvent instead of the old Hoppes 9 rifle solvent. (Hoppes 9 also makes a BP solvent too by the way.)

Why do I clean it this way now? My rifle shoots very well clean or with a little fouling. (I spit patch between shots.) Also, I noticed on the PR Bullet site, the bullet company also endorses cleaning it the way I described. They must know something because their bullets are one of the best out there.

My buddy and I also had a conversation with the Owner of C. Sharps in Big Timber, Mt. when we visited his store. They make BP cart. rifles. He looked at my buddy very strangely when he asked about pouring boiling water down one of his rifle barrels to clean. He handed us the Hoppe 9 BP bottle and discouraged us from doing the boiling water/soap idea.
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Old 10-21-2004, 03:10 PM
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Bore butter

The other board that had this post elicited over 60 resposes about bore butter and all were very negative. Sounded like they were talking about nuclear waste so I wanted some other opinions. Thanks to everyone who posted. All the best...
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Bore butter will build up until accuracy goes south if you don't clean it throughly after each shoot. Most fellows recommend on of the more violent carb cleaner along with lots of brushing if it gets built up.

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Old 10-21-2004, 03:14 PM
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Will add mine.

Used it..didn't see anything it was doing that was better than the system already in use...the fouling did seem harder to clean out than before...so stopped using it. Never did use it long enough to have it build up seriously, or to be able to rate that it actually does...but it did require me to change my traditonal hot-soapy-water cleaning, and for that reaon alone it was abandoned.

Idea for me is that I know BP residue/fouling is water aoluable and pretty much ignores oils...so I want a bullet/patch lube that is easily water soluable. This ain't it for me.

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Old 10-21-2004, 05:18 PM
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I have had no trouble with Bore Butter, but I don't shoot as much as many here do.
I usually clean with Hoppe's BP solvent and a bronze brush (I think the brush is important to shake things loose )and then use a patch with some BB on it after the bore is clean and dry- using the BB as a preservative. That system has worked well for the 4-5 years I've been shooting BP.
I also put BB on the lube grooves of the Minie ball I shoot for hunting, but the grooves are quite small, not much BB is needed.
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Jack;
I've heard of this 'build up' thing many times yet have seen no evidence of how this can happen.
BB melts and is ejected with each shot. Nothing builds up faster than black powder fouling so I'm at a loss to acertain how BB build up can be measured?
Now I do know that way too much lube can be slathered onto conical bullets, particularly the Maxiball types with those wide grease grooves that so many people think must be filled completely. Tain't so.
I use bore butter on my shooting patches and as a protectant for storage in my 54cal Lyman Great Plains Rifle.
Last sunday we had a "fun shoot" with our black powder guns and it was fun!! It may not sound like alot to someone that only handles semi-autos at the range, but I shot 80 patched balls that afternoon. There was no decline in accuracy or
"build up" that I could notice. The only thing I seem to see is that the fouling buildup in the "chamber" area is less than that of guys that are shooting spit patches. More than one shooter had trouble with stuck ram-rods when they pushed a cleaning patch down the bore till it stopped. Just out of curiosity three different times I ran a tight dry cleaning patch home & pulled it back out with no trouble. Each time was after at least 15-20 shots using Goex FFFG 65gr loads.
I can't say there isn't anything better. This is what I use and it works. So I won't try to fix it
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Old 10-26-2004, 07:35 PM
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I'll add my 2 pennies, and say that I use bore butter and
it seems to work well for me. I haven't had any buildup issues
from what I can tell, but I do a thorough cleaning after
each range session, and that involves hot water & patches,
a brush, and some Hoppes solvent, followed by a dry patches.
When things come out clean I put 1 patch through with some
BB on it to coat the barrel and protect from rust.
There may be other products out there, but it seems to be
working for me in my T/C Encore. Now , I don't have
a flinter or traditional ML (yet), and shoot more sabots than
conicals in the Encore 209x50, but it seems to be working -
I can get ~ 1.5 inch 3-shot groups @ 100 yds with it, using a
1.5-5x scope. Your mileage may vary...

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Old 10-27-2004, 04:37 PM
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I use it and I shoot alot, no trouble, no build up, I don't think it's much different from lard or crisco except for the color and smell. With patched balls I can shoot quite a few before accuracy drops or loading gets stiff, conical shooting requirs cleaning more often. If there is a build up then the gun isn't getting cleaned right in the first place I would expect.

Gil, You go to a whole bunch of these boards, I just bumped into this one and here you are...How was the Fair this year, a pitcher of beer and chicken on a stick, nice meal..

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Old 10-28-2004, 07:10 AM
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Welcome to the Forum. I have never used bore butter and from what I have read on other boards may never use it.

Yes, I do get around and see that you know something about the Schnecksville Fair. This was the first year that it did not get rained out. Take care. All the best...
Gil

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I use it and I shoot alot, no trouble, no build up, I don't think it's much different from lard or crisco except for the color and smell. With patched balls I can shoot quite a few before accuracy drops or loading gets stiff, conical shooting requirs cleaning more often. If there is a build up then the gun isn't getting cleaned right in the first place I would expect.

Gil, You go to a whole bunch of these boards, I just bumped into this one and here you are...How was the Fair this year, a pitcher of beer and chicken on a stick, nice meal..

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Old 10-29-2004, 01:56 AM
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Gil,

Lived in Bethlehem and CenterValley in the early 70's, College..We used to hit the Fair every year, good food and cheep enough at the time. For some reason I remember they would give you half a chicken with a stick stuck in it and you could just walk around eating it..Nice area, also remember Dixons Shop, Nestors and few others...and the Frat parties..well, some of them I don't quite remember..hehehe

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Old 10-29-2004, 04:48 PM
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When using sabots or power points in a ss in-line I see no reason for bore butter. Other old gray beards talked on how it seasoned the barrel of your Hawken traditional. I talked to a young co-worker today that coats his 209 primers with it so its easier to extract. I think the coated bore butter patchs would be ok, but no one in my town stocks them.
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